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goflamesgo18 · 01-09-2018, 08:17 AM

Valimaki, 1st in 2019, Mangiapani/Phillips/Dube

We have enough depth in defence prospects (Fox,Kylington,Andersson)

Trading the 2019 first for the 2018 first cancel each orher out

One of the mang/phillips/dube would sweeten the deal, but probably wont be a big loss

Not sure the other team would accept this but that is definitely something I would be ok with to have the Tkachuks united.

corporatejay · 01-09-2018, 08:33 AM

1) People overvalue draft picks
2) This is because most teams drafting that low are rebuilding and don't want a big contract for a guy who will help them win 4-5 more games. They'd rather have a cheap asset and let them develop because they have the benefit of time.

Tinordi is right, 3rd pick would probably cost you a fortune.

Everyone is right, that's way too high a price for the flames.

lazypucker · 01-09-2018, 10:19 AM

Should trade Dougie to Arizona for 1st overall pick and to reunite the brothers...

DJones · 01-09-2018, 10:31 AM

Dougie would be the only one that would make sense.

Not sure if it would be smart but I don't know if I would be mad haha

1991 Canadian · 01-09-2018, 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by lazypucker

Should trade Dougie to Arizona for 1st overall pick and to reunite the brothers...

I can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not, but I wouldn't actually be opposed to this.

There are some nights where Dougie's play terrifies me. I'm actually somewhat amazed his advanced stats / traditional stats are as good as they are. Every thing about him is coveted in a dman. He has great possession numbers. He's 6'5". Good shot. Good skater. Puts up points. Yet I feel like he responsible for more icings and giveaways than anyone else on the team. If he faced with even a bit of pressure, he's almost guaranteed to give the puck away. He gets caught out of position frequently and takes far too many stick infraction penalties.

It doesn't necessarily have to be a 1st round pick to draft the other Tkachuk, but I think Hamilton is a very valuable trade piece for the Flames.

Replace Andersson with Hamilton and you have another $5 million in cap space to play with. Hamilton is a better player than Andersson, but I think there is enough talent on the blueline to stomach this. Gio elevates the play of whoever he is playing with.

If you trade Hamilton for a potential high impact player like Brady Tkachuk on his ELC, you have a lot of quality in your lineup with cap room to spare.

I don't know why one of the basement feeder teams would make this deal, but Treliving has more wins than losses in the trade department. Much like the Flames trading for Hamilton in the first place, there is some value in trading for a known commodity instead of the mystery box that is a draft pick. Maybe Buffalo with their awful draft record would rather have a known player in Hamilton. They seem pretty desperate for dmen. Maybe Arizona gets infatuated with Hamilton's advanced stats and wants him.

Who knows. You might be joking about trading Hamilton, but there might be a deal out there that makes sense for the Flames.

Enoch Root · 01-09-2018, 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Stay Golden

Hopes and wishes, no doubt it would be awesome but its not going to happen Treliving traded the first and 2nd mext year. Unless he could convince a GM with 2017 2nd and 2018 first and a reasonable productive player like Bennett for example but that is way too steep of a price to put into play, jmo.

Are you suggesting a 1st and 2nd and Bennett?

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Originally Posted by goflamesgo18

Valimaki, 1st in 2019, Mangiapani/Phillips/Dube

We have enough depth in defence prospects (Fox,Kylington,Andersson)

Trading the 2019 first for the 2018 first cancel each orher out

One of the mang/phillips/dube would sweeten the deal, but probably wont be a big loss

Not sure the other team would accept this but that is definitely something I would be ok with to have the Tkachuks united.

What the serious ####, people?

squirtle · 01-09-2018, 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by lazypucker

Should trade Dougie to Arizona for 1st overall pick and to reunite the brothers...

You mean pick Dahlin

JJFlash · 01-09-2018, 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by jayswin

Sure the leagues are different but you'd think more than 14 points in 20 games in the NCAA would have to be achieved to rocket up to a 3rd OA projection, no?

I was not expecting Brady to do as well as he did in the WJHC tournament but he worked his way to the top line and made an impact. However, I would be careful on over valueing him since he is doing just fine in the NCAA against men, while he likely only performed well in the U-20 tournament because of his size advantage.

shogged · 01-09-2018, 02:57 PM

i would do it in a heartbeat but I don't think we have the assets to get it done in a realistic way

VilleN · 01-09-2018, 03:12 PM

If his last name wasn't Tkachuk I don't think many people would be entertaining the idea, and based on the numbers he'd probably be drafted outside the top 5. I'm pretty happy with the agitators we have... Bennett really plays with an edge, Hathway too, Ferland at times... That Ducks game the other day really showed what kind of game this team is capable of playing.

Enoch Root · 01-09-2018, 03:27 PM

^ precisely

Rick M. · 01-09-2018, 03:55 PM

I’d rather see the Flames trade for Casey Mittelstadt.

mile · 01-09-2018, 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Husky

My thoughts exactly. And for his uni points didnt he go pointless in first 10 or so games or something?

I think he went goalless during that stretch but was still racking up assists at a decent clip.

But yeah, I think Matthew is the better player for sure.

goflamesgo18 · 01-09-2018, 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Are you suggesting a 1st and 2nd and Bennett?

What the serious ####, people?

Dont know if you watched the world juniors at all, but Tkachuk is a sure bet top 6 forward. Not sold on Valimaki yet, 1st in 2019 is most likely late pick anyway, and if you are counting on Dube/Mang/Phillips to be in our top six - that is a long shot.

Brady would jump into a top six almost inmediately

Johnny - mony - m tkachuk
B tkachuk - backlund - frolik
Bennett - Janko - Ferland

Enoch Root · 01-09-2018, 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by goflamesgo18

Dont know if you watched the world juniors at all, but Tkachuk is a sure bet top 6 forward. Not sold on Valimaki yet, 1st in 2019 is most likely late pick anyway, and if you are counting on Dube/Mang/Phillips to be in our top six - that is a long shot.

Brady would jump into a top six almost inmediately

Johnny - mony - m tkachuk
B tkachuk - backlund - frolik
Bennett - Janko - Ferland

World juniors... what is that?

Brady Tkachuk is being massively over-rated by Flames fans right now, due to the awesomeness of Matt.

Brady is probably going to be a 2nd liner - at least that is what he is currently projecting to be based on progression. And he has size. And based on his lineage, he probably also has a lot of grit. All good things.

But trading Valimaki + a 1st + a good prospect like Mangiapane or Dube is a huge over-payment. It just is.

Bawbag · 01-09-2018, 04:22 PM

I can't believe the amount of people who under value our players

These mystical trades that people come out with on here are ridiculous

Worst one I seen was gaudreau + Monahan and a prospect for Wayne Simmonds. Like wtf

JTech780 · 01-09-2018, 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Gaskal

Courtesy of Newtothisredditbiz, of reddit:

I think you have to look closer, Matthew was playing on a line with Auston Matthews and Jeremy Bracco with US U-18 team, Brady was playing with Josh Norris and Grant Mismash, that's a little different level of skill.

1qqaaz · 01-09-2018, 05:59 PM

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Originally Posted by VilleN

If his last name wasn't Tkachuk I don't think many people would be entertaining the idea, and based on the numbers he'd probably be drafted outside the top 5. I'm pretty happy with the agitators we have... Bennett really plays with an edge, Hathway too, Ferland at times... That Ducks game the other day really showed what kind of game this team is capable of playing.

I think it's perfectly logical to value Tkachuk's last name.
Matthew was clearly raised to succeed in the NHL. I guarantee Brady Tkachuk will be the same.

VilleN · 01-09-2018, 06:02 PM

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Originally Posted by 1qqaaz

I think it's perfectly logical to value Tkachuk's last name.

Matthew was clearly raised to succeed in the NHL. I guarantee Brady Tkachuk will be the same.

While the pedigree is there, it is by no means a guarantee that he will be a superstar. A scout or GM would be foolish to place any serious weight on the fact that he’s Keith’s Tkachuk’s son and Matthew’s brother.

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goflamesgo18 · 01-10-2018, 06:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Enoch Root

World juniors... what is that?

Brady Tkachuk is being massively over-rated by Flames fans right now, due to the awesomeness of Matt.

Brady is probably going to be a 2nd liner - at least that is what he is currently projecting to be based on progression. And he has size. And based on his lineage, he probably also has a lot of grit. All good things.

But trading Valimaki + a 1st + a good prospect like Mangiapane or Dube is a huge over-payment. It just is.

Brady is probably going to get picked top 5 in the draft this year, higher than his brother. Yet he is MASSIVELY overrated by Flames Fans cause Matts Awesomism...

Makes sense