High-Profile Sexual Abuse Epidemic

[TorqueDog]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

French women weigh in

That was refreshing to read. I've had conversations with friends along these lines, and it is amazing to see the rejection of nuance in the opinions of others.

Her comments echo Matt Damon's initial comments -- where he said "There's a difference between, you know, patting someone on the butt and rape or child molestation, right? Both of those behaviours need to be confronted and eradicated, without question, but they shouldn't be conflated, right?" -- which were spot on, and to borrow wording I read elsewhere, 'banal in their obviousness'. Yet how often do you see Al Franken mentioned in the same paragraph as Harvey Weinstein, as though they did the same thing?

[Manhattanboy]

Not sure whether this has been mentioned before, but was thinking that Jian Gomeshi is very lucky he was tried when he was.

[TorqueDog]

Originally Posted by Manhattanboy

Not sure whether this has been mentioned before, but was thinking that Jian Gomeshi is very lucky he was tried when he was.

In what way? His career is toast. Unlike many of the other people being talked about, Gomeshi then went through due process. When it was found that two high profile accusers from the first case had colluded, the credibility of their testimony was shattered, and Gomeshi walked away from those charges. The second trial, Gomeshi's accuser settled out of court with a peace bond and an apology.

Courts don't make decisions on the basis of everyone at the Golden Globes wearing black and madly hash-tagging their Twitter posts.

[Hockeyboy2]

Because I can be a little crap disturber from time to time, let me weigh in on this controversially in a way that has not been mentioned yet.

Women compartmentalize men into 5 basic categories:

Creepy: Please don't touch me, please don't look at me, please don't talk to me please don't ever yeah you get my point.

Acquantiance / Passerby: Yeah if the guy says hi then cool but that is all our relationship will ever be and no I do not want more.

Friend: I will talk to him, complain about my boyfriend to him, I like having lunch with him on occasion, but WHOA what the hell please do not ever indicate romantic feelings for me because we are just friends.

Provider: You know, he just might have the resources that make him a long term partner, maybe even marriage material if he plays his cards right, he makes good money, I would introduce him to mommy dearest, he has a good job, he can provide me with a secure future.

Lover: Oh my god, he is so hot, I want to bang him right now and let him do whatever the hell he wants with me because he is like so hot.

There is no question that there are some men who use their position of authority to ascertain sexual favors from women and this of course is inappropriate. These men are more than likely providers who wish to god every day they were lovers but know that women will never classify them like this.

Let me ask you a question, has there been any "hot guys" accused of ANYTHING here? No there has not been because guess what, no woman is going to say "omg Johnny Depp had his hand on my ass, I feel so violated". Because they would look ridiculous, but if Al Franken did the same thing, all hell would break loose!

What we are seeing is a 2 pronged issue.
1. Men who are using their power to take advantage of women beneath them in status.
2. Women who are fed up with men who are taking a step outside of their preconceived category. A woman would not be upset to be propositioned by Chris Hemmsworth for a one night stand, oh but if Ted Cruz propositioned them it would be traumatic for them. Why do you ask? Because Chris Hemsworth is in the lover category and Ted Cruz is in the provider category and providers are not supposed to do this! Providers are supposed to take you out on 10 dates and convince you to have sex through their look what I am on paper skills.

Women have sex with lovers because they want to, women have sex with providers because well it's a means to an ends. The moment a man who is provider material acts like a lover or acts inappropriately it is an issue for that woman.

Think of some very unattractive woman hitting on you or wanting you to sleep with them or slapping you on the ass......and then think how you would react if Mila Kunis was doing this same thing to you.....see totally different!

What men have to learn....we have to learn ATTRACTION. We have to learn when a woman is interested in us sexually, when a woman is not interested in us sexually and act accordingly.

No we do not have to change the way we behave around woman, which has been talked about again and again on this thread. What we have to do is read the signs better, read which women are into us, which are not. That is our responsibility.

Women have to look at themselves in the mirror too and hold themselves accountable, and before they slander or ruin some dudes career need to think to themselves. Would I be reacting like this if it was a hot guy that I wanted?

[Manhattanboy]

Originally Posted by TorqueDog

In what way? His career is toast. Unlike many of the other people being talked about, Gomeshi then went through due process. When it was found that two high profile accusers from the first case had colluded, the credibility of their testimony was shattered, and Gomeshi walked away from those charges. The second trial, Gomeshi's accuser settled out of court with a peace bond and an apology.

Courts don't make decisions on the basis of everyone at the Golden Globes wearing black and madly hash-tagging their Twitter posts.

Fair points - I had forgotten this was not a jury trial. Not that I am questioning the impartiality of juries generally - although a jury in this case, if tried today, might have weighed the evidence or considered the credibility of the accusers differently (I suppose at the risk of a mistrial). Just wondering if the outcome might have been different today.

[GordonBlue]

Originally Posted by Hockeyboy2

Because I can be a little crap disturber from time to time, let me weigh in on this controversially in a way that has not been mentioned yet.

Women compartmentalize men into 5 basic categories:

Creepy: Please don't touch me, please don't look at me, please don't talk to me please don't ever yeah you get my point.

Acquantiance / Passerby: Yeah if the guy says hi then cool but that is all our relationship will ever be and no I do not want more.

Friend: I will talk to him, complain about my boyfriend to him, I like having lunch with him on occasion, but WHOA what the hell please do not ever indicate romantic feelings for me because we are just friends.

Provider: You know, he just might have the resources that make him a long term partner, maybe even marriage material if he plays his cards right, he makes good money, I would introduce him to mommy dearest, he has a good job, he can provide me with a secure future.

Lover: Oh my god, he is so hot, I want to bang him right now and let him do whatever the hell he wants with me because he is like so hot.

There is no question that there are some men who use their position of authority to ascertain sexual favors from women and this of course is inappropriate. These men are more than likely providers who wish to god every day they were lovers but know that women will never classify them like this.

Let me ask you a question, has there been any "hot guys" accused of ANYTHING here? No there has not been because guess what, no woman is going to say "omg Johnny Depp had his hand on my ass, I feel so violated". Because they would look ridiculous, but if Al Franken did the same thing, all hell would break loose!

What we are seeing is a 2 pronged issue.
1. Men who are using their power to take advantage of women beneath them in status.
2. Women who are fed up with men who are taking a step outside of their preconceived category. A woman would not be upset to be propositioned by Chris Hemmsworth for a one night stand, oh but if Ted Cruz propositioned them it would be traumatic for them. Why do you ask? Because Chris Hemsworth is in the lover category and Ted Cruz is in the provider category and providers are not supposed to do this! Providers are supposed to take you out on 10 dates and convince you to have sex through their look what I am on paper skills.

Women have sex with lovers because they want to, women have sex with providers because well it's a means to an ends. The moment a man who is provider material acts like a lover or acts inappropriately it is an issue for that woman.

Think of some very unattractive woman hitting on you or wanting you to sleep with them or slapping you on the ass......and then think how you would react if Mila Kunis was doing this same thing to you.....see totally different!

What men have to learn....we have to learn ATTRACTION. We have to learn when a woman is interested in us sexually, when a woman is not interested in us sexually and act accordingly.

No we do not have to change the way we behave around woman, which has been talked about again and again on this thread. What we have to do is read the signs better, read which women are into us, which are not. That is our responsibility.

Women have to look at themselves in the mirror too and hold themselves accountable, and before they slander or ruin some dudes career need to think to themselves. Would I be reacting like this if it was a hot guy that I wanted?

are you a member of any mens rights groups?
your post comes across like you are, if you really believe this.

[Canehdianman]

Originally Posted by Hockeyboy2

Because I can be a little crap disturber from time to time, let me weigh in on this controversially in a way that has not been mentioned yet.

Women compartmentalize men into 5 basic categories:

Creepy: Please don't touch me, please don't look at me, please don't talk to me please don't ever yeah you get my point.

Acquantiance / Passerby: Yeah if the guy says hi then cool but that is all our relationship will ever be and no I do not want more.

Friend: I will talk to him, complain about my boyfriend to him, I like having lunch with him on occasion, but WHOA what the hell please do not ever indicate romantic feelings for me because we are just friends.

Provider: You know, he just might have the resources that make him a long term partner, maybe even marriage material if he plays his cards right, he makes good money, I would introduce him to mommy dearest, he has a good job, he can provide me with a secure future.

Lover: Oh my god, he is so hot, I want to bang him right now and let him do whatever the hell he wants with me because he is like so hot.

There is no question that there are some men who use their position of authority to ascertain sexual favors from women and this of course is inappropriate. These men are more than likely providers who wish to god every day they were lovers but know that women will never classify them like this.

Let me ask you a question, has there been any "hot guys" accused of ANYTHING here? No there has not been because guess what, no woman is going to say "omg Johnny Depp had his hand on my ass, I feel so violated". Because they would look ridiculous, but if Al Franken did the same thing, all hell would break loose!

What we are seeing is a 2 pronged issue.
1. Men who are using their power to take advantage of women beneath them in status.
2. Women who are fed up with men who are taking a step outside of their preconceived category. A woman would not be upset to be propositioned by Chris Hemmsworth for a one night stand, oh but if Ted Cruz propositioned them it would be traumatic for them. Why do you ask? Because Chris Hemsworth is in the lover category and Ted Cruz is in the provider category and providers are not supposed to do this! Providers are supposed to take you out on 10 dates and convince you to have sex through their look what I am on paper skills.

Women have sex with lovers because they want to, women have sex with providers because well it's a means to an ends. The moment a man who is provider material acts like a lover or acts inappropriately it is an issue for that woman.

Think of some very unattractive woman hitting on you or wanting you to sleep with them or slapping you on the ass......and then think how you would react if Mila Kunis was doing this same thing to you.....see totally different!

What men have to learn....we have to learn ATTRACTION. We have to learn when a woman is interested in us sexually, when a woman is not interested in us sexually and act accordingly.

No we do not have to change the way we behave around woman, which has been talked about again and again on this thread. What we have to do is read the signs better, read which women are into us, which are not. That is our responsibility.

Women have to look at themselves in the mirror too and hold themselves accountable, and before they slander or ruin some dudes career need to think to themselves. Would I be reacting like this if it was a hot guy that I wanted?

/r/neckbeards

Spoiler!

[Hockeyboy2]

Originally Posted by GordonBlue

are you a member of any mens rights groups?
your post comes across like you are, if you really believe this.

I am not a member of a mens rights group and I would never say anything I don't believe in.

Just out of curiosity, in your opinion is it appropriate for a woman to be part of a womans rights group but not for a man to be part of mans rights group?

Look us men need to learn how to act around women, most men I have witnessed are horrible at talking to women. Women deserve and should feel safe, excited and like the world is at their fingertips.

[Nyah]

Originally Posted by Hockeyboy2

Women compartmentalize men into 5 basic categories:

LOL. Finally, an expert!

[Hockeyboy2]

Originally Posted by Canehdianman

/r/neckbeards

Spoiler!

That's funny and definitely looks like a guy a woman would be reporting.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

I'm not sure this has ever been more appropriate.

[TheFlamesVan]

Thats like asking if it's okay to have a white rights group because there is a black rights group.

Technically yeah, we all have rights. But one of the groups is clearly oppressed.

[Hockeyboy2]

I'm so happy that I have revitalized this thread.

[Hockeyboy2]

Originally Posted by TheFlamesVan

Thats like asking if it's okay to have a white rights group because there is a black rights group.

Technically yeah, we all have rights. But one of the groups is clearly oppressed.

I agree women need equal opportunity in all spheres of life and definitely need equal pay for equal work.

However one thing I think would benefit women even more, is having mentors who pushed them to succeed in any area they believed that they could. Its not companies fault or an industries fault that women are not involved with it, its the fact that women were never inspired and given the tools to succeed in that industry when they were young.

[troutman]

Early candidate for Worst Post of the Year, January 9, 2018.

[Hockeyboy2]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

I'm not sure this has ever been more appropriate.

Nathan Fillion treated Stana Katic like crap btw.

[Canehdianman]

Originally Posted by Hockeyboy2

I'm so happy that I have revitalized this thread.

gives you something to do after you mastered the blade.

[TheFlamesVan]

Originally Posted by Hockeyboy2

I agree women need equal opportunity in all spheres of life and definitely need equal pay for equal work.

However one thing I think would benefit women even more, is having mentors who pushed them to succeed in any area they believed that they could. Its not companies fault or an industries fault that women are not involved with it, its the fact that women were never inspired and given the tools to succeed in that industry when they were young.

Yes, you nailed the whole point of this thread.

It's because the mentors in those said positions are always trying to #### them!

[Hockeyboy2]

Originally Posted by Canehdianman

gives you something to do after you mastered the blade.

I know, I had a hard time mastering blades of steel back in the 90s as a little kid.

[Hockeyboy2]

Originally Posted by TheFlamesVan

Yes, you nailed the whole point of this thread.

It's because the mentors in those said positions are always trying to #### them!

And that is unacceptable as they are people in authority positions doing things to undermine the integrity and devalue those women and that is unacceptable.