Naked swimming event coming to Calgary wave pool

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

The only concerns expressed here are over the inclusion of children in an event without any vetting of participants*, and whether children are capable of freely giving consent to participating in this kind of activity, when their vulnerability to parental pressure makes any consent questionable.

These issues have been addressed ad-nauseam. Read the thread. The conversation has naturally evolved to the root cause of why nudity itself is considered taboo, as it (as a taboo) is why children are considered more vulnerable in this situation than a regular pool situation where a bathing suit is included. Discussions evolve.

The arguments addressing your exact issues have been as follows:
- the restrictions are sufficient (ID, no cameras, lifeguards and community policing)
- perverts are an overblown worry
- the issue of consent is no more relevant than any other situation where children are involved, even the more mundane (considereding the goal of this is to normalise nudity)


Before lecturing on talking past each other, I’d recommend reading the thread so that you don’t talk past all the arguments that address your concerns. I can quote the posts if you’d like, but it’s not a very long thread.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by Thor

How would you vet participants, criminal background checks for nudist groups?

Nudist groups will often meet prospective participants beforehand at clothed events where people get to know each other first.

Originally Posted by Thor

By fact that they are children they cannot, until 18 years of age it is the parents who choose for their children. I can't imagine a parent forcing a kid who doesn't want to go to a nudist event.

I already mentioned a friend of mine whose stepfather forbid her from wearing a bathing suit top to European beaches.

Originally Posted by Thor

I guess that is the norm in the US and Canada, but certainly it is not here in Europe. This is why so many people keep harping on the prudish angle of this because it seems at the core of people's negative response to this is the long standing puritanical past of the US and Canada, the shame of nudity and sexuality.

The norm in Canada, the U.S. and the rest of the world outside Northern Europe. It really is Northern Europe that's the outlier here, not North America. Which is fine. But let's not pretend Canada and the U.S. are especially puritanical places, when people are more modest about nudity in China, India, Korea, Nigeria, the Philippines, Mexico, Italy, etc., not to mention the entirety of the Muslim world.

Originally Posted by Thor

We still have here in Iceland some pools where changing rooms are co-ed, all our public pools have a must shower first policy where staff are in the area of the showers to ensure everyone washes themselves, its common for kids as old as 5 years old or more to go with whichever parent they are with in to their change room.

That sounds perfectly fine. And my kids did the same until they were about 7 and could get changed and work the lockers themselves. Never had any issues.

Originally Posted by Thor

I even had a guest here from Texas who saw what looked to be a 3 or 4yr girl walk in with her father and he actually said to the kid, oh you are in the wrong change room. I couldn't believe that.

He sounds like an idiot. And I'd tell him so if he posted in this thread.

Originally Posted by Thor

Being nude around children is not weird.

Getting changed in front of children is not weird. Walking around naked with older children for hours at a time is kinda weird. Which is why I suspect nobody in this thread, including the most ardent defenders of this event, actually does it.

It's also worth noting that the nude culture in Germany, where it has always been strongest, is dying out. The advent of cell phone cameras, along with ugly incidents involving socially conservative immigrants, mean that topless sunbathing and swimming naked at public beaches are increasingly rare. Which is a shame. But it does put lie to the notion that North America is swimming against the tide in a world where public nudity is no big deal.

https://www.citylab.com/life/2017/04...ermany/523710/

https://www.reuters.com/article/germ...76I1N720110720

[Red Potato Standing By]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

Nudist groups will often meet prospective participants beforehand at clothed events where people get to know each other first.



I already mentioned a friend of mine whose stepfather forbid her from wearing a bathing suit top to European beaches.



The norm in Canada, the U.S. and the rest of the world outside Northern Europe. It really is Northern Europe that's the outlier here, not North America. Which is fine. But let's not pretend Canada and the U.S. are especially puritanical places, when people are more modest about nudity in China, India, Korea, Nigeria, the Philippines, Mexico, etc., not to mention the entirety of the Muslim world.



That sounds perfectly fine. And my kids did the same until they were about 7 and could get changed and work the lockers themselves. Never had any issues.



He sounds like an idiot. And I'd tell him so if he posted in this thread.



Getting changed in front of children is not weird. Walking around naked with older children for hours at a time is kinda weird. Which is why I suspect nobody in this thread, including the most ardent defenders of this event, actually does it.

It's also worth noting that the nude culture in Germany, where it has always been strongest, is dying out. The advent of cell phone cameras, along with ugly incidents involving socially conservative immigrants, mean that topless sunbathing and swimming naked at public beaches are increasingly rare. Which is a shame. But it does put lie to the notion that North America is swimming against the tide in a world where public nudity is no big deal.

https://www.citylab.com/life/2017/04...ermany/523710/

As you said about the Texan,your friend who forces his step daughter sounds like an idiot. And probably is not the model most normal good parents should be compared to.

[Shazam]

No kid over the age of 3 will be at this thing. Maybe not even those ones since they're such pains in the ass.

Believe it or not kids do have some say as to where they go because they can whine a lot.

Sorry to say the hebephiles will be out of luck. And the people that will be outraged at the hebephiles.

[Hockeyguy15]

I'm not going back an reading this train wreck of a thread, but the biggest issue with babies/toddlers being there is the likelihood the pool will be shat in with no diaper on.

The nudist group is going to exist and meet regardless if you let them go to the swimming pool or not, and kids are going to be a part of it. No one in here cared about that before, so why care now? Some pedo isn't going to go hang out and jerk it in the deep end.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by DiracSpike

I don't. There's nothing wrong with adults showing up to this and having a good time. My issue is when nudist parents drag their children to these events as I've already outlined, and your response was that ridiculous comparison between this event and grocery stores.

Do you believe this rises to negligence and child endangerment and the state needs to step in to protect these children?

Because by advocating this event should prohibit children on the grounds you are making you are stating that no child should be raised in a nudist environment.

Is that really your position?

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by Zethrynn

As you said about the Texan,your friend who forces his step daughter sounds like an idiot. And probably is not the model most normal good parents should be compared to.

Reading comprehension fail: the stepdaughter is my friend.

[DiracSpike]

Originally Posted by GGG

Do you believe this rises to negligence and child endangerment and the state needs to step in to protect these children?

Because by advocating this event should prohibit children on the grounds you are making you are stating that no child should be raised in a nudist environment.

Is that really your position?

Yea basically. Just like I don't think any child should have to be raised in an overly religious environment until they can choose their religion.
You're the one taking it to the extreme with government intervention, there can be a middle step between perfectly acceptable parenting and government intervention.

[Hockeyguy15]

Originally Posted by DiracSpike

Yea basically. Just like I don't think any child should have to be raised in an overly religious environment until they can choose their religion.
You're the one taking it to the extreme with government intervention, there can be a middle step between perfectly acceptable parenting and government intervention.

You mean perfectly acceptable to you, and that's the rub.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by DiracSpike

Yea basically. Just like I don't think any child should have to be raised in an overly religious environment until they can choose their religion.
You're the one taking it to the extreme with government intervention, there can be a middle step between perfectly acceptable parenting and government intervention.

You are asking for government intervention by wanting this event to be made 18+.

[taco.vidal]

How about the government ban circumcision for those under 18 or at least until an age where a person can consent?
How about no religious indoctrination of children until 18?

If a parent cant chose whether to take their child to a family-friendly nudist event why should they be allowed to mutilate and brainwash their kids?

[Shazam]

Originally Posted by taco.vidal

How about the government ban circumcision for those under 18 or at least until an age where a person can consent?
How about no religious indoctrination of children until 18?

If a parent cant chose whether to take their child to a family-friendly nudist event why should they be allowed to mutilate and brainwash their kids?

Or worse, become an Oilers fan.

[OMG!WTF!]

Originally Posted by taco.vidal

How about the government ban circumcision for those under 18 or at least until an age where a person can consent?
How about no religious indoctrination of children until 18?

If a parent cant chose whether to take their child to a family-friendly nudist event why should they be allowed to mutilate and brainwash their kids?

It's funny how these arguments go. No one ever considers the other side. Should we allow kids to get a tattoo? Open a bank account? Get a credit card? See an r rated movie? Pawn stuff? Consent to boxing? Consent to travel internationally?

It's kind of fun actually.

[corporatejay]

1) I personally don't think kids should be at this event.

2) It doesn't appear that this would be illegal and I'm not going so whatever, people are free to do what they want within the boundaries of the law.

This sounds like the position that Dino7c is taking. I don't think he's insane for thinking kids shouldn't be at this event.

[corporatejay]

Originally Posted by Shazam

Everybody's nude under their clothes. That must be stopped now.

Not everyone. There are dozens of people who aren't. DOZENS

[Red Potato Standing By]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

Reading comprehension fail: the stepdaughter is my friend.

My apologies, but point still stands, just cause a parent you know is an idiot doesn’t mean that all parents are idiots.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by corporatejay

1) I personally don't think kids should be at this event.

2) It doesn't appear that this would be illegal and I'm not going so whatever, people are free to do what they want within the boundaries of the law.

This sounds like the position that Dino7c is taking. I don't think he's insane for thinking kids shouldn't be at this event.

That is my position 18+...really not much more to say. Honestly I might even go to such an event, not with kids there though. Anyway the elected officials can make the call.

[Thor]

I'm naked right now writing this post.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Thor

I'm naked right now writing this post.

Pics or it didn't happen

[puckedoff]

Originally Posted by Thor

I'm naked right now writing this post.

I demand government intervention