Call it the CalgaryPuck version of Project Bluebook. I was reading through the science thread and there was some discussion about it and the sciency heads thought that this should be in a different thread. So here it is. Debate, post and solve the mysteries of UFO's or Big Foot, or Ogopogo, or mysterious ancient pyramid tunnels.
Maybe to start this off we need a list of the unexplained UFO sightings videos and pictures.
1) Kenneth Arnold 1947 - Kenneth Arnold was a civilian pilot flying near Mt Ranier Washington where he reported sighting a formation of 9 glowing objects flying at about 1700 miles an hour. He thought that this was a test of new military aircraft, but no aircraft were flying that day. He described their motions as being like a saucer shipping across water, this lead to the coining of the phrase flying saucer. The government claimed that he had seen a mirage or had a hallucination but there are other witness reports of these craft.
2) Lubbock Lights 1951 - Three scientists saw a semi circle of lights flying at high speed over Lubbock, Texas, Freshman Carl Hart managed to snap a picture of these lights. Project Bluebook investigated and claimed that they were reflections off of birds caused by new street lamps however witnesses claimed that the objects moved to fast to be birds.
3) The Belgium Wave 1989-90 - Citizens of Belgium claimed to see a large triangular object hovering in the sky, months later new sightings were reported. F-16's were dispatched and managed to achieve radar lock on though they couldn't see the object. During the Belgium wave there were 13,000 reports of mysterious objects in the sky. no logical explanation was given, and no investigation was really followed up on.
4) Phoenix Lights 1997 - On March 13th over a two hour period, thousands of witnesses claimed to see two distinct UFO sightings. one a triangular formation flying over the State and the other a line of lights hovering over the city. The US Air Force claimed responsibility for the line of lights as they were testing A-10 Wart Hogs and their flair dispensers.
5) Catalina Island 1966 - a 10 second shot of footage of a UFO in color
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Saw the reappearance of the Phoenix Lights. Damnedest thing I ever saw. No idea what it was, but it wasn't flares from Luke, as they were on the east side of the city.
Saw the reappearance of the Phoenix Lights. Damnedest thing I ever saw. No idea what it was, but it wasn't flares from Luke, as they were on the east side of the city.
They stated that they were testing flares from A-10s, which are aircraft, which means that they wouldn't necessarily be over Luke Air Force Base. Good investigating though, Detective New Era.
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I have spoken with the fellow who penned the attached letter to the park warden on May 23, 1988. He is a very organized, rational, intelligent, keen professional. He stands by this story and neither he (nor any of the other 3 with him) will believe anything other than there is such a thing as a sasquatch. That's not to say I believe, but there are many credible people who do. Its at least an interesting story:
They stated that they were testing flares from A-10s, which are aircraft, which means that they wouldn't necessarily be over Luke Air Force Base. Good investigating though, Detective New Era.
They weren't flares, and they weren't from an A-10 or any other type of aircraft. Flares behave in very specific ways when dropped, and drift in independent ways. They do not maintain position in formation for 20+ minutes, as they are subject to variations in the wind. The lights in question were observed, by other witnesses as well, 80 miles east of Luke. The military has corridors where they can do their testing and this is an area where military traffic doesn't fly. Military jets are very loud, especially at the altitude in question, and an A-10 releasing flares would have been easily heard. But thanks for making assumptions about an event you had no information on. I can see how this thread is going to go and why people would not share anything of interest in regards to what they experience.
There is no evidence 'alien' intelligences have ever visited the earth, and i'm confident that all 'unexplained' events are merely 'yet-to-be-' explained events.
The recent discovery of the extra-solar asteroid was especially fun to think about. No evidence to suggest it was deliberately sent here, but plenty of discussion about how, if 'something' wanted to visit us, that it fits a likely method.
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They weren't flares, and they weren't from an A-10 or any other type of aircraft. Flares behave in very specific ways when dropped, and drift in independent ways. They do not maintain position in formation for 20+ minutes, as they are subject to variations in the wind. The lights in question were observed, by other witnesses as well, 80 miles east of Luke. The military has corridors where they can do their testing and this is an area where military traffic doesn't fly. Military jets are very loud, especially at the altitude in question, and an A-10 releasing flares would have been easily heard. But thanks for making assumptions about an event you had no information on. I can see how this thread is going to go and why people would not share anything of interest in regards to what they experience.
With the development in autonomous and non-autonomous drone technology, it is puzzling to me why the first assumption would be anything other than military technology.
Because this was a decade ago and in an area where military traffic do not fly. Funny, but you jump from it being flares from an A-10 to a fleet of drones. As I said, I don't know what it was, but I am certain it was not the explanations floated by the usual suspects. One of the coolest and most disturbing things I've seen.
The most skilled, outdoorsy, nature aware enthusiast I've ever met insists he's heard a Sasquatch. He regularly encounters all kinds of wildlife, and the fear he described made me think he's maybe legit.
Anyone caught the documentary of the " Dyarlov Pass Incident "? That whole scenario is ####ed up enough to cause some serious thought into life forms we may be unaware of.
The most skilled, outdoorsy, nature aware enthusiast I've ever met insists he's heard a Sasquatch. He regularly encounters all kinds of wildlife, and the fear he described made me think he's maybe legit.
Anyone caught the documentary of the " Dyarlov Pass Incident "? That whole scenario is ####ed up enough to cause some serious thought into life forms we may be unaware of.
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I believe we've been visited. I have no evidence to back that up, I just think the universe is so vast it would be naive to think there aren't advanced civilizations out there observing us from afar. If they have millions of years of technology advancement on us, we likely wouldn't be able to comprehend how they observe us anyways.
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Because this was a decade ago and in an area where military traffic do not fly. Funny, but you jump from it being flares from an A-10 to a fleet of drones. As I said, I don't know what it was, but I am certain it was not the explanations floated by the usual suspects. One of the coolest and most disturbing things I've seen.
I was simply correcting your assumption that because it wasn't over Bruce, it couldn't be flares. My assumption is that while it may not be flares, it is most likely military testing that they aren't going to be forthcoming about, for obvious reasons. You don't think the US military would have been testing drones a decade, or even two decades ago?
And secretive military testing only occurs in publicly defined test areas? They also publish all the times so that the soviets can get all their satellites on target...
Aliens are an interesting discussion and one that has been fluid.
As our technology improves rapidly, we now know with near certainty that life exists elsewhere, and it's probable that other intelligent life exists elsewhere.
But at the same time our technology improves, it tells us that it's extremely unlikely we have been or ever will be visited by intelligent life. That we are more likely to be the ones visiting as opppsed to playing host.
I was simply correcting your assumption that because it wasn't over Bruce, it couldn't be flares. My assumption is that while it may not be flares, it is most likely military testing that they aren't going to be forthcoming about, for obvious reasons. You don't think the US military would have been testing drones a decade, or even two decades ago?
And secretive military testing only occurs in publicly defined test areas? They also publish all the times so that the soviets can get all their satellites on target...
Seems you were the one making an assumption without knowing all the details or the logistics of the environment. The story of flares during the original event wouldn't stand up to reason as the lights were directly over the city, and moved over South Mountain and went all the way over Tucson, before returning. The military does not drop flares over heavily populated cities, and those flares do not maintain formation for hours, traveling hundreds of miles. The decade later, they wouldn't drop flares over mountains and national forest, not in bone dry Arizona.
Bruce [sic] better known as Luke AFB is quite restricted for space and flight corridors because of city expansion. They fly fighters out of Luke (F18 and F16 back then, F16 and F35 today). Davis-Monthan AFB in Tucson has an A-10 wing, but it is ridiculous to suggest that they flew to Phoenix and deployed flares over the populated areas of the state capital. Next closest airport with any military presence was Gateway, which used to have a tanker wing and fly trainers, but that was phased out a while ago and is almost exclusively commercial and private traffic. The reason Gateway went the way of the dodo for the military was urban sprawl, and the airport is pretty much completely surrounded by homes and business. The east valley is not a place you go to fly test vehicles of any sort.
If this were a secret drone or experimental aircraft, why would they fly them over public lands, when they have numerous ranges where they can fly them without prying eyes? Why fly them over the Tonto National Forest when you can fly them in restricted airspace of Groom Lake or the Dugway Proving Grounds? If you don't want the public to see your ####, don't fly your #### where the public is going to see it. Just saying.
it is ridiculous to suggest that they flew to Phoenix and deployed flares over the populated areas of the state capital.
I don't believe you're suggesting "aliens" were responsible for that UFO but just in case I personally think it's more ridiculous to think a life form that is so advanced that they can travel unimaginable distances at even more unimaginable speeds would forget to turn the lights out.
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Seems you were the one making an assumption without knowing all the details or the logistics of the environment. The story of flares during the original event wouldn't stand up to reason as the lights were directly over the city, and moved over South Mountain and went all the way over Tucson, before returning. The military does not drop flares over heavily populated cities, and those flares do not maintain formation for hours, traveling hundreds of miles. The decade later, they wouldn't drop flares over mountains and national forest, not in bone dry Arizona.
Bruce [sic] better known as Luke AFB is quite restricted for space and flight corridors because of city expansion. They fly fighters out of Luke (F18 and F16 back then, F16 and F35 today). Davis-Monthan AFB in Tucson has an A-10 wing, but it is ridiculous to suggest that they flew to Phoenix and deployed flares over the populated areas of the state capital. Next closest airport with any military presence was Gateway, which used to have a tanker wing and fly trainers, but that was phased out a while ago and is almost exclusively commercial and private traffic. The reason Gateway went the way of the dodo for the military was urban sprawl, and the airport is pretty much completely surrounded by homes and business. The east valley is not a place you go to fly test vehicles of any sort.
If this were a secret drone or experimental aircraft, why would they fly them over public lands, when they have numerous ranges where they can fly them without prying eyes? Why fly them over the Tonto National Forest when you can fly them in restricted airspace of Groom Lake or the Dugway Proving Grounds? If you don't want the public to see your ####, don't fly your #### where the public is going to see it. Just saying.
None of those facilities would allow you to test long-range navigation, The lights shown in any of the video footage I have seen, wouldn't lead me to believe it was anything other than a/c lighting. And silence is what drones are striving to achieve, so no audible sound is logical. I didn't see it live, as you claim, so you are obviously in a more informed position.
All I am saying, it is by definition a UFO, I would just be surprised if it were not of this world.
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