[News] Coyotes claim F. Hamilton off waivers from the Flames

[Da_Chief]

Originally Posted by Tinordi

OEL is just categorically better than Hamilton at the game of hockey. Phoenix isn't looking to straight up downgrade.

OEL is a UFA in summer of 2019. At this point I highly doubt he re-signs with Arizona.

Sure they can get a package of goodies for him but they have enough goodies. Their recent trades indicate they want/need to win. Best way is to replace him with a younger top pair dman. Hamilton fits the bill.

[BigFlameDog]

Originally Posted by MBates

For what it's worth, Dougie was smiling a mile wide and joking with my kids after the game last night. Granted none of them asked about his brother with a microphone and tv camera in his face...

This all seems like a tempest in a teapot to me.

Same with warm up...all smiles and goofing around with the boys.

[OmegaV4]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Am I underrating Domi?

He is a 50-55pt winger on pace for less than 40pts this year. Duclair wants out and he hasn’t been able to stick in the nhl after a good rookie year.

I don’t think it is one sided

Oh, no no, not under-rating him at all.

I'm just looking at all the pieces in general(however, probably mis-read). Your original deal if I read it right was:

To CGY:

Max Domi, Anthony Duclair, Cond. 3rd Round Pick, 2nd Round Pick

To ARI:

Dougie Hamilton

I guess looking at it, it would be a lot coming back our way, however, you can't really gauge how well a pick will work out.

[Toonage]

Nah.

Hamilton & Lazar for OEL, Duclair + 1ST

Roll with

Giordano-Brodie
OEL-Hamonic
Kulak-Stone

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by Toonage

Nah.

Hamilton & Lazar for OEL, Duclair + 1ST

Roll with

Giordano-Brodie
OEL-Hamonic
Kulak-Stone

No way is Arizona throwing in a possible first overall pick. Hamilton for OEL could be the foundation for a trade but I think Calgary would still have to add.

[DeluxeMoustache]

This whole notion of trading D to follow F seems bizarre

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

No way is Arizona throwing in a possible first overall pick. Hamilton for OEL could be the foundation for a trade but I think Calgary would still have to add.

Why would Calgary have to add? Hamilton is two years younger and to date their stats are nearly identical as OEL has scored at a .616 per game clip while Hamilton .612. OEL is a train wreck defensively so personally I feel the Coyotes would have to add to the deal when you consider the contract situation of both players.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by OmegaV4

Oh, no no, not under-rating him at all.

I'm just looking at all the pieces in general(however, probably mis-read). Your original deal if I read it right was:

To CGY:

Max Domi, Anthony Duclair, Cond. 3rd Round Pick, 2nd Round Pick

To ARI:

Dougie Hamilton

I guess looking at it, it would be a lot coming back our way, however, you can't really gauge how well a pick will work out.

Arizona gets the best player, in the most important role. Calgary sets back its rebuild be quite a bit. I just don't think Brodie can fill Hamilton's shoes, especially long term as Gio gets older.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Coyotes may also be willing to move on from Dylan Strome. You'd have to evaluate if you think he can be an impact player in the NHL. Skating is an issue.

[Robbob]

Hamilton being signed for 3 more season @ 5.75M after this one is a pretty big plus.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Why would Calgary have to add? Hamilton is two years younger and to date their stats are nearly identical as OEL has scored at a .616 per game clip while Hamilton .612. OEL is a train wreck defensively so personally I feel the Coyotes would have to add to the deal when you consider the contract situation of both players.

Is OEL really worse defensively than Hamilton? I guess I consider him a more accomplished defenseman than Hamilton across the board but admittedly I haven't seen him play a ton. I am all for a trade that upgrades your elite talent and although I am in no way dying to trade Hamilton, I am not sure he becomes the stud defenseman you build around. Maybe that's not OEL either. But if he is, makes it easier to trade Brodie for forward help.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Arizona gets the best player, in the most important role. Calgary sets back its rebuild be quite a bit. I just don't think Brodie can fill Hamilton's shoes, especially long term as Gio gets older.

Arizona gets the best player burn Calgary gets pieces they need.

Calgary potentially is out of a 2nd for the next 3 years and a 1st this year. The proposed deal sends back one of those picks initially traded and a 2nd this draft that could be 32nd pick which is close to a 1st rounder.

Flames get a top 6 winger with grit, skill, upside and a top 9 winger that scored 44pts as a 20 year old.

I am in the trade Dougie camp because I think he is our best asset to acquire a true top forward. Looking st the Yotes they don’t have that so I looked at who made the most sense for a forward and added some picks we could also use.

I feel the ideal trade partner for Dougie is Toronto abd one of Marner or Nylander.

I am quite bullish on Andersson, Valimaki, Fox and Kylington so I do believe there are future top 4 D in the pipeline.

[Tinordi]

No he's not worse. He's better than Hamilton in practically every facet of the game.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Wild GM

Coyotes may also be willing to move on from Dylan Strome. You'd have to evaluate if you think he can be an impact player in the NHL. Skating is an issue.

Arizona had three first rounders that year and it's looking like they muffed them all. Strome has underperformed limits everyone else in the top ten, Crouse hasn't been very good and Merkely is a non-factor. Meanwhile, you have Marner, Hanifin, Boeser, Provorov, Werensky, Barzal, etc.

[rayne008]

I'm just annoyed i didn't pick up on (F)orward Hamilton and (D)efence Hamilton until just now.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Arizona gets the best player burn Calgary gets pieces they need.

Calgary potentially is out of a 2nd for the next 3 years and a 1st this year. The proposed deal sends back one of those picks initially traded and a 2nd this draft that could be 32nd pick which is close to a 1st rounder.

Flames get a top 6 winger with grit, skill, upside and a top 9 winger that scored 44pts as a 20 year old.

I am in the trade Dougie camp because I think he is our best asset to acquire a true top forward. Looking st the Yotes they don’t have that so I looked at who made the most sense for a forward and added some picks we could also use.

I feel the ideal trade partner for Dougie is Toronto abd one of Marner or Nylander.

I am quite bullish on Andersson, Valimaki, Fox and Kylington so I do believe there are future top 4 D in the pipeline.

IMO having a top 2 defenceman under a great contract, who has not yet reached peak is better than having a top forward outside maybe a number 1 centre. Nylander or Marner are potential top line wingers, and IMO they wouldn't contribute to a whole lot more wins than what the Flames have now in Ferland. Over a season they might mean 10 more goals, which doesn't automatically mean wins. And while the Flames have four good defence prospects, they are 5 years away from having a top two type impact. Toronto's picks aren't going to be good ones either.

[blender]

Originally Posted by Tinordi

No he's not worse. He's better than Hamilton in practically every facet of the game.

Is this your opinion, or is there some back up? Honest question; to my eye they are pretty comparable.

[PlayfulGenius]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Arizona had three first rounders that year and it's looking like they muffed them all. Strome has underperformed limits everyone else in the top ten, Crouse hasn't been very good and Merkely is a non-factor. Meanwhile, you have Marner, Hanifin, Boeser, Provorov, Werensky, Barzal, etc.

Crouse was drafted by Florida...and seems to be doing fine.

Stome is scoring well in the AHL... and it's very early so he may pan out yet... I haven't watched him at all, though

Merckley is also lighting up the AHL as a 20yr old... not sure how hay makes him a 'non factor'

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Arizona had three first rounders that year and it's looking like they muffed them all. Strome has underperformed limits everyone else in the top ten, Crouse hasn't been very good and Merkely is a non-factor. Meanwhile, you have Marner, Hanifin, Boeser, Provorov, Werensky, Barzal, etc.

I'm not a Crouse fan but Merkley I really liked in his pre-draft year. He had injury problems but is doing well in his first pro season (over a PPG).
I think at 30 overall he could end up being a VERY good pick
He was a guy that I thought would go in the teens that year.

[GioforPM]

It's a bad stat and he plays for a bad team, but OEL's -33 is pretty incredible. The next worst in the league is -23. The next worst on Arizona is -21.