Ongoing US Mass Shooting Thread

[Flashpoint]

Originally Posted by Snuffleupagus

Yes NRA, guns do kill people as I would bet my house if there was no gun in that house that family would be alive today. Just another senseless loss of life because of America's love of violence and guns

Half the guns in this country are owned by 3% of the population.

https://qz.com/1095899/gun-ownership...-three-charts/

Only one third of Americans own a gun.

It’s a hardcore lunatic fringe supported by a massive industry lobby and propped up by weak right wing politicians representing rural areas with grossly inappropriate influence vs population.

It’s an easy touchstone to say it’s “America”. But the reality is that the vast majority are as appalled as you are.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

One third of Americans is over a hundred million people. That's not a lunatic fringe.

[DuffMan]

33% of Americans have guns.
26% of Americans have some sort of mental disorder.

how many times do those demographics intertwine?

Imagine going to a packed mall xmas shopping and thinking 1 in every 3 people has a gun and 1 in every 4 people has a mental illness, and they're all mashed in together. good times.

[mikephoen]

Originally Posted by Flashpoint

Half the guns in this country are owned by 3% of the population.

https://qz.com/1095899/gun-ownership...-three-charts/

Only one third of Americans own a gun.

It’s a hardcore lunatic fringe supported by a massive industry lobby and propped up by weak right wing politicians representing rural areas with grossly inappropriate influence vs population.

It’s an easy touchstone to say it’s “America”. But the reality is that the vast majority are as appalled as you are.

Most of the other 2/3rds have easy access to the 1/3rds guns though, because they are spouses or children of the gun owner. And if they don’t, they could easily go buy what they need today and start firing into crowds of people tomorrow. 100% of Americans have easy access to mass amounts of guns.

[foshizzle11]

And what about the unregistered guns? It's got to be another 10% or more, nobody knows.

This is another senseless act that doesn't make much sense at all.

[Flashpoint]

Stop saying “America loves guns”.

The facts don’t support it.

As I said, 70% do not own a gun. That 30% may be a lot of people but is nowhere near a majority.

Some of them may even be responsible gun owners.

The 3 percent who own HALF are the lunatic fringe I was referring to. Which is still, what? 10 million people? But a fraction of the populace and in no way representative of the majority.

[driveway]

That ‘gun ownership’ statistic is misleading as it refers only to ownership, not access. If a gun is owned by one member of a family, but seven people live in the home, it’s disingenuous to say that only 14% of the household is interested in guns.

According to the Herald, in 2012 62% of Americans had more than one gun in their home or on their property.

http://www.calgaryherald.com/news/ph...rmed+civilians

Considering the boom in gun sales during the Obama presidency, there is no way that number has gone down.

[Snuffleupagus]

Originally Posted by Flashpoint

Stop saying “America loves guns”.

The facts don’t support it.

On average 93 people are killed and 200+ more injured every single day in the USA by guns, when this 70% majority you speak stands up to make it extremely tough to get a handgun and bans these mass destruction assault style rifles then you'll have an argument, until then it's just air!

[Snuffleupagus]

Originally Posted by driveway

That ‘gun ownership’ statistic is misleading as it refers only to ownership, not access. If a gun is owned by one member of a family, but seven people live in the home, it’s disingenuous to say that only 14% of the household is interested in guns.

This/ I'm fairly certain this mentally challenged teen in Jersey didn't own that assault rifle, with the exception of his dead family I guess everyone's feeling lucky he didn't wait till the local elementary school opened from holidays

[DuffMan]

California is really infringing on patriots gun rights in the new year, that commy libby state.

prop63

Restrictions on Firearm and Ammunition Possession
Under federal and state law, certain individuals are not allowed to have firearms. These "prohibited persons" include individuals (1) convicted of felonies and some misdemeanors (such as assault or battery), (2) found by a court to be a danger to themselves or others due to mental illness, and (3) with a restraining order against them. In California, individuals who are not allowed to have firearms are also not allowed to have ammunition

http://voterguide.sos.ca.gov/en/prop...3/analysis.htm

[Nufy]

Originally Posted by DuffMan

California is really infringing on patriots gun rights in the new year, that commy libby state.

prop63



http://voterguide.sos.ca.gov/en/prop...3/analysis.htm

Betcha the lawyers are lining up to challenge that one...

[Locke]

Its still insane that a Private Citizen can own a Military-Style Assault Rifle.

For why? In case the Thompson family needs to invade an unsuspecting Banana Republic?

Not all guns are equal.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Nominally, I think it's supposed to be so that they can resist a tyrannical government if necessary.

Which is hilarious, because... drones, guys. The tyrannical government has drones. Also F-35s. So, yeah, good luck with that.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

Nominally, I think it's supposed to be so that they can resist a tyrannical government if necessary.

Which is hilarious, because... drones, guys. The tyrannical government has drones. Also F-35s. So, yeah, good luck with that.

I'm familiar with that nonsense, but thats all it is. Nonsense.

If the American Public wanted to overthrow a Tyrannical Government and havent done it by now then that ship has sailed and they'd best drop it.

"How are we supposed to defend ourselves if the Government oppresses us???"

Well, your Government oppresses you regularly, you havent done anything about it with or without guns so perhaps its time to move along and just have some responsible regulations like the rest of the civilized world.

[DuffMan]

But all Americans have seen Red Dawn and know they may need their guns at any minute.

[Envitro]

From my perspective the NRA is way too powerful...

I will say one thing with regard to ownership of firearms for the purpose of fighting against the government. I come from a country that was very peaceful, but experienced a civil war / aggression from one of it's former member states that turned the Army against the people. The people had some small arms and hunting rifles, pistols and whatever AK's they could get their hands on. They fought against tanks and did they best they could, and they eventually got their hands on their own tanks, planes etc. If it wasn't for the small arms, the would have been slaughtered and wouldn't have been able to defend themselves.

A gun / rifle won't be able to do anything against a plane or a tank, but it'll allow you to defend yourself in most situations, and if you organize you can get things to properly defend yourself and your family.

It's not a coincidence that in most countries that tend do lean fascist or are a dictatorship guns are banned.

They're not the answer, but they're not the problem either. People are.

[CampbellsTransgressions]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

Nominally, I think it's supposed to be so that they can resist a tyrannical government if necessary.

Which is hilarious, because... drones, guys. The tyrannical government has drones. Also F-35s. So, yeah, good luck with that.

A guerilla army can always put up an indefinite fight.

Probably not going to get them anywhere, but we've seen how well the US deals with prolonged guerilla warfare on enemy soil, so I think with enough decades of violence you would see resolution.

Kinda like The Troubles, though the US are obviously much more powerful than the UK.

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by Flashpoint

Stop saying “America loves guns”.

The facts don’t support it.

As I said, 70% do not own a gun. That 30% may be a lot of people but is nowhere near a majority.

Some of them may even be responsible gun owners.

The 3 percent who own HALF are the lunatic fringe I was referring to. Which is still, what? 10 million people? But a fraction of the populace and in no way representative of the majority.

At this point there is no political support in the US for effective gun control therefore the percentage of gun ownership is irrelevant.

There is moderate support in the US for some form of gun control that takes guns away from someone else but not the person actually being polled, once someone suggests taking guns away from the person being polled that support melts away like an ice cream in the desert.

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by CampbellsTransgressions

A guerilla army can always put up an indefinite fight.

Probably not going to get them anywhere, but we've seen how well the US deals with prolonged guerilla warfare on enemy soil, so I think with enough decades of violence you would see resolution.

Kinda like The Troubles, though the US are obviously much more powerful than the UK.

A guerilla army can put up an indefinite fight against a modern army who aren't prepared to slaughter millions, but if you take that restriction away a modern US army can slaughter any opposition in a few days

[llwhiteoutll]

Originally Posted by Envitro

From my perspective the NRA is way too powerful..

The NRA is able to successfully lobby on the scale they do because of one thing, money. People who donate to the NRA are willing to put their money where their mouth is and not just talk about wanting to keep or expand their rights.

The gun control lobby has a problem translating talk and feelings to actual cash, which is what drives lobbying. You can talk all day long in front of a camera and have people agree with you, but if you can’t get those same people to open their wallets, you can’t do anything