[Rumour] Incoming Flames shake up

[PegCityFlamesFan]

Originally Posted by Kipper_3434

Re: Buffalo trade talk.

I'd take Okposso at his current contract, over Kane with an extension. And the acquisition cost would likely be lower as well.

ROR > Backlund (IMO) no reason we can't have both though. Acquisition cost won't be spare parts like many are suggesting.

Don't think Reinhart will be sold for peanuts, it's not like he's Sven. Guy is half a year removed from 47 points.

How do you get both of them? There isn't NHL18 and there's a cap.

[H2SO4(aq)]

Originally Posted by corporatejay

That's insanity. Hamonic was market rate. We got hamonic for a second round draft pick. Overpay. Jesus some people overrate draft picks like no ones business.

I think Lazar is a dud but was definitely worth a gamble for a second round pick. Look at the depth the team has on the farm. Just total nonsense.

We got hamonic for a first round pick and two seconds....

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by corporatejay

That's insanity. Hamonic was market rate. We got hamonic for a second round draft pick. Overpay. Jesus some people overrate draft picks like no ones business.

I think Lazar is a dud but was definitely worth a gamble for a second round pick. Look at the depth the team has on the farm. Just total nonsense.

Hahahahahaha. If we got Hamonic for a 2nd, nary a bloody soul would be winjing about the acquisition price.

A 1st and two....TWO second round picks is what has myself and others are little peeved about.

[corporatejay]

Sorry I meant to say Lazar for a second round pick. I know what we gave up for hamonic. I still think it’s market rate


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[dino7c]

Hamonic wasn't an overpay...it might not work out or have been the right move in hindsight but given the value of defencemen it wasn't an overpay

The Oilers traded #16 and #33 for Griffin Reinhart FFS

Hamonic and Hamilton are better than the average 1st round draft pick...sure you could hit a home run and find a better player but how many times have the Flames done that in 30 years

Flames damn near got a 1st for a few months of Kris Russell

[bigrangy]

Hamonic was acquired at market rate considering he was thought of as a good second pair defenseman. I don't know if it's the system, that he sucks, or maybe he's just been unlucky, but he's been playing like a #6 this year and is a big reason why the Flames aren't doing as well as they expected to. He's not the only player deserving blame but for the price paid, a lot more was expected.

If the first would have been protected I'd have no problem with the value but jeez, that pick could be (probably will be, knowing flames luck) top 3. The Flames should have been right around the top 10 this year, so picks 20+51+another late second would have been fair but 3+34+2nd is capital a awful, like worse than Brouwer awful.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by bigrangy

Hamonic was acquired at market rate considering he was thought of as a good second pair defenseman. I don't know if it's the system, that he sucks, or maybe he's just been unlucky, but he's been playing like a #6 this year and is a big reason why the Flames aren't doing as well as they expected to. He's not the only player deserving blame but for the price paid, a lot more was expected.

If the first would have been protected I'd have no problem with the value but jeez, that pick could be (probably will be, knowing flames luck) top 3. The Flames should have been right around the top 10 this year, so picks 20+51+another late second would have been fair but 3+34+2nd is capital a awful, like worse than Brouwer awful.

The pick COULD be first overall...its highly unlikely though, there is no point in fear mongering right now. Its probably 10-20 and Hamonic is not playing like a #6

[Flashpoint]

I wonder what Hartley would have done with an NHL goalie?

More than the current coaching staff is my guess.

I hate watching this team fold mentally and then hear Gulutzan talking about it post game. DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT!!

Finding a way to do that is the only shakeup I see as improving this team enough to make a difference. Swapping out fringe players won’t put us in the playoffs.

[Roof-Daddy]

Flames pick right now is 12th overall pre-lottery.

Hoping for an unreal second half and a playoff spot, but as of right now there is a really good chance the Flames end up in the range of where they sit right now.

Philly went form 13 to 2, and Dallas went from 8 to 3.

Man, if that happened with our pick it's Brady Tkachuk range and boy would that sting something terrible, especially coming on the heels of missing the playoffs which would sting enough on it's own.

[djsFlames]

Who knows. It may be backlunds time. Not unrealistic that last season was a career high production wise. Since Monahan is an average top center and this team has contention aspirations they may try and land a more skilled center so as to have essentially a 1a/1b. Basically what Edmonton envisioned with their two high end centers but has flopped so far because they're no good and paid millions too much for.

[djsFlames]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Flames pick right now is 12th overall pre-lottery.

Hoping for an unreal second half and a playoff spot, but as of right now there is a really good chance the Flames end up in the range of where they sit right now.

Philly went form 13 to 2, and Dallas went from 8 to 3.

Man, if that happened with our pick it's Brady Tkachuk range and boy would that sting something terrible, especially coming on the heels of missing the playoffs which would sting enough on it's own.

Which is even more reason for them to be proactive and make moves now to either jolt them out of mediocrity or add more scoring to elevate them.

Tbqf I think the flames could survive defensively dealing a Brodie. His 'elite' offensive game has dipped which is where most of his game value is but he has that resume and friendly cap hit which lends him strong market value. Stone can play top 4 and Andersson is all but ready for bottom pairing minutes. I would not trust Bart but even he improved in recent games. More importantly the flames have blue chippers in the system on the back end so they can afford this.

Defensive scoring is no longer something this team can lean on like in the past 3 seasons because it's no longer producing at an elite/top of the league clip. This used to make up for the lack of production up front but now that it isn't, the forward production has been exposed. We knew this wasn't sustainable. But the next move seems pretty logical now, it's time to look to give a boost to the forwards and if they want to prevent this season from being a step backwards they'd better do it soon.

The offense can't continue to live and die by a skilled but soft and streaky, undersized playmaker.

[The Original FFIV]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

If there is a deal with Buffalo you could see it coming after the outdoor game today. Give Flames time to integrate a new piece.

However since Buffalo is out of the playoff race, they have no motivation to make a deal now unless there is a bidding war. That makes me nervous as Treliving has shown a willingness to overpay for what he wants. My guess is there is no major deal imminent.

What Treliving has do is create a bidding war for Brodie which should be possible. If buffalo wants Brodie but is stalling, get a third team involved to create urgency. If Buffalo keeps stalling, hopefully the 3rd team is ready to act.

[gamesaver]

Originally Posted by bigrangy

Hamonic was acquired at market rate considering he was thought of as a good second pair defenseman. I don't know if it's the system, that he sucks, or maybe he's just been unlucky, but he's been playing like a #6 this year and is a big reason why the Flames aren't doing as well as they expected to. He's not the only player deserving blame but for the price paid, a lot more was expected.

If the first would have been protected I'd have no problem with the value but jeez, that pick could be (probably will be, knowing flames luck) top 3. The Flames should have been right around the top 10 this year, so picks 20+51+another late second would have been fair but 3+34+2nd is capital a awful, like worse than Brouwer awful.

This is why not making the cut this year is such a big problem.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Hamonic wasn't an overpay...it might not work out or have been the right move in hindsight but given the value of defencemen it wasn't an overpay

The Oilers traded #16 and #33 for Griffin Reinhart FFS

Hamonic and Hamilton are better than the average 1st round draft pick...sure you could hit a home run and find a better player but how many times have the Flames done that in 30 years

Flames damn near got a 1st for a few months of Kris Russell

I suppose every trade is at a market price. Personally I believe it’s highly doubtful they could recoup those same quality picks for Hamonic now.

[ripTDR]

nm...

[Cecil Terwilliger]

Originally Posted by gamesaver

This is why not making the cut this year is such a big problem.

It really isn’t.

Way too much paranoia about a pick that likely has about a 2% chance of being top 3.

Not to mention all picks traded before the season are potential lotto picks. It’s asinine to suggest no team should ever trade a 1st again in case they unexpectedly suck. Way too many things can go wrong in a season to dwell on what seemed like an acceptable risk at the time.

As a GM, that’s a great way to get fired for being too conservative and never going for it.

A far bigger concern should be whether we can bounce back next year and be a top 10 team.

[PlayfulGenius]

Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

It really isn’t.

Way too much paranoia about a pick that likely has about a 2% chance of being top 3.

Not to mention all picks traded before the season are potential lotto picks. It’s asinine to suggest no team should ever trade a 1st again in case they unexpectedly suck. Way too many things can go wrong in a season to dwell on what seemed like an acceptable risk at the time.

As a GM, that’s a great way to get fired for being too conservative and never going for it.

A far bigger concern should be whether we can bounce back next year and be a top 10 team.

Even if the pick does become Top 3 after the lotto, it extremely unlikely it would have been had the team NOT traded for Hamonic... so to say he cost the Flames a top 3 pick is ridiculous.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by Poe969

The only way I trade Hamilton is if a team takes Brouwer with him and still pays good value

No way, that would be foolish. You take one of the most sought after trade bait positions in hockey (young offensive D-man with number 1 potential) and you better be getting a one for one top line, star forward.

No way in hell you add a salary dump. GM's do that sometimes with first/second round picks to get rid of bad contracts. Brad Treliving does that with Dougie Hamilton and it will assuredly be the biggest blunder of his career and mocked league wide.

You put that qualifier "still get good value" but that doesn't mean anything. You will get significantly less value if you dump a horrid contract, fact.

[Kipper_3434]

Originally Posted by PegCityFlamesFan

How do you get both of them? There isn't NHL18 and there's a cap.

Well we'd likely be trading a player. Let's say Hamilton for arguments sake, then we buyout Brouwer in the off season. Bam. It's not that difficult

[Finger Cookin]

Originally Posted by The Original FFIV

What Treliving has do is create a bidding war for Brodie which should be possible. If buffalo wants Brodie but is stalling, get a third team involved to create urgency. If Buffalo keeps stalling, hopefully the 3rd team is ready to act.

Maybe this has changed, but I know in the past Treliving has been reported and regarded as one of the most active GMs in the league. I doubt he's only talking to a third team.