[Rumour] Incoming Flames shake up

[Rejean31]

Originally Posted by Major Major

Often. I realize the GG hate is strong right now, but could we stop making stuff up?

Often?? You are obviously watching a different Flames team than I am.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by TOfan

If you're a Buffalo why would you trade RoR and Sam Reinhardt for two fringe nhlers and dougie Hamilton? Why would they sell that low on a former 2nd overall pick? Might as well just give Reinhardt away.

They are paying RoR $7.5M and Eichel $10M next year which is a lot for top 2 centre’s on a bad team. Looking at what Buffalo fans want the most on HF it would be a top pairing right shot D. Hamilton is exactly that at the right age and a great contract.

RoR is not enough to get Hamilton alone. Reinhart has struggled mightily for Buffalo. This deal they get out of a rather pricey contract and land the Dman they want. Reinhart has far more upside than Lazar but that is the price they pay to get the Dman they want. Freddie just comes with Dougie.

If Reinhart is valued that much higher than I anticipate here then maybe swap him for Kane?

[Major Major]

Originally Posted by Rejean31

Often?? You are obviously watching a different Flames team than I am.

Clearly

[The Original FFIV]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

They are paying RoR $7.5M and Eichel $10M next year which is a lot for top 2 centre’s on a bad team. Looking at what Buffalo fans want the most on HF it would be a top pairing right shot D. Hamilton is exactly that at the right age and a great contract.

RoR is not enough to get Hamilton alone. Reinhart has struggled mightily for Buffalo. This deal they get out of a rather pricey contract and land the Dman they want. Reinhart has far more upside than Lazar but that is the price they pay to get the Dman they want. Freddie just comes with Dougie.

If Reinhart is valued that much higher than I anticipate here then maybe swap him for Kane?

I can see a deal with Brodie as the main piece headed their way. They are porous on d and have risto and bogosian on the rh side

[Racki]

I agree with many in this thread that feel like the coaching staff must be removed before subtracting players of importance.

I still go back to the hiring of Dave Cameron. What GM in his right mind hires a coach whose former team had the worst power play in the league...to run the goddamn power play?

[Monahan For Mayor]

Originally Posted by topfiverecords

Please fire GG, but if they hire Tippet just move the team as well. I’m not watching that.

Tippet hockey mite be boring, but so is Gulutzan. The difference is Tippet would provide wins. Winning is fun.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by The Original FFIV

I can see a deal with Brodie as the main piece headed their way. They are porous on d and have risto and bogosian on the rh side

Ah I thought Risto was a leftie.

Scandella abd Beaulieu are their top 4 lefties?

Brodie for RoR makes some sense. Flames add $3M in payroll

They can still make my proposed Pitt deal but then is RoR/Cole much better than Backlund/Brodie? I say that is a downgrade but at least the Flames would have a 1st round pick again

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by Monahan For Mayor

Tippet hockey mite be boring, but so is Gulutzan. The difference is Tippet would provide wins. Winning is fun.

Would he? Like all those Coyote winning streaks?

[Gaskal]

Originally Posted by cannon7

And those saying Hartley was hated and had to go -- all I hear is "the Flames had some whiners and they got their way." Look where giving in to whiners gets us.

It's not that this team is a bunch of whiners. It's just that Hartley, after 4 seasons, was starting to ring on deaf ears. That's no different than any team with a similar style and reputation of coach. There needed to be someone new in the room.

While I agree that this team likely needs a tougher coach with a respected NHL tenure to move forward, I think Hartley's time with the team was done. That style of coaching maybe gets you some 2-3 seasons where the club is milked hard of whatever talent it has before they start tuning him out. And Bob was being tuned out. It sucks, but it's a pattern we've seen time and time again, often Jack Adams winners too (Barry Melrose, Pat Burns). Coach comes in, guys all sit up straighter, draws water from the rock until its dry. If we had just acquired Hartley in 2016-17 instead of having him stuck as the rebuild carry-over guy, I think this team would be doing way better. But life is about timing.

Unfortunately Treliving thought a guy who's never won a playoff round (haven't even made the playoffs before 2016-17 either) could get this team over the hump. No, he needs someone who's won it all before and demands respect in the room and Glen's far from that, for all his people skills and analytical hockey mind.

I think he's too much of a "yes" guy in terms of him and Tre's working relationship. Darryl would be perfect, as he's sat in Treliving's spot before (and added 3 of our core pieces in Gio, Backlund and Brodie) and has the tenure and charisma to challenge Tre when it's necessary. But if it hasn't happened already it's a long shot now.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Monahan For Mayor

Tippet hockey mite be boring, but so is Gulutzan. The difference is Tippet would provide wins. Winning is fun.

I wonder if Tippet wouldn’t be a more entertaining coach with a better roster? He did what he had to in Arizona to try and get wins. With a more mobile D and skilled forwards hopefully they wouldn’t be so boring.

Agreed about winning though doesn’t matter at the end of the day as long as the team is one of the best.

[Monahan For Mayor]

Originally Posted by topfiverecords

Would he? Like all those Coyote winning streaks?

He had the worst roster in the NHL for the majority of his time in Phoenix. Can't think of any coaches that could win with the teams he had.

[nemanja2306]

Originally Posted by Racki

I agree with many in this thread that feel like the coaching staff must be removed before subtracting players of importance.

I still go back to the hiring of Dave Cameron. What GM in his right mind hires a coach whose former team had the worst power play in the league...to run the goddamn power play?

I don't think any GM hires assistant coaches without input, advice or suggestions of their HC. Simply because the HC has to work with these people on a daily basis, so they need to trust them and be able to work with them.

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[TheScorpion]

Here's a list of NHLers up front who I would like to keep if I'm the Flames:

Gaudreau
Monahan
Tkachuk
Backlund
Frolik
Bennett
Versteeg
Jagr
Jankowski
Mangiapane

That leaves Stajan, Brouwer, Lazar, F. Hamilton, and most notably Ferland as guys who I would possibly look to trade. On the back-end, I could look at dealing Brodie or Hamonic, but nobody else. I'd look to get rid of Bartkowski. The goalies are fine.

That leaves this as a possible roster for the meantime:

Gaudreau - Monahan - xxxxxxxx
Tkachuk - Backlund - Jagr
Bennett - Jankowski - Hathaway
xxxxxxxx - xxxxxxxx - Mangiapane
xxxxxxxx - xxxxxxxx

IR (estimated return date): Frolik (Feb.), Versteeg (late Mar./Apr.)

Giordano - Hamilton
xxxxxxxx - xxxxxxxx
Kulak - Stone
xxxxxxxx

Smith
Rittich

So from there, I look first at who's in Stockton. Here are guys who I look to possibly bring up to fill any holes.

Forward:

Marek Hrivik (4C)
Morgan Klimchuk (4LW)

Annnd... that's about it. Mangiapane and Hathaway are already here. Calling up those guys would give guys like Shinkaruk, Foo, and Poirier good opportunities in Stockton.

On defense, I'd be okay with just about any of these guys:

RHD
Rasmus Andersson
Dalton Prout

LHD
Tyler Wotherspoon
Oliver Kylington

I think only one of Brodie and Hamonic gets dealt. I think it'd be more likely to be Brodie. In that case, I'd slot Stone in beside Hamonic and bring up Andersson to play with Kulak. From there, I'd get rid of Bartkowski and bring up ONE of Wotherspoon and Prout to play as the 7th. I'd prefer Wotherspoon, given that he's having a great season in the AHL.

I'm not gonna touch the vacancy at 1RW given that I think dealing Ferland and Brodie would really help to address that. Dealing Brouwer for another contract would also probably change things in the extras. I think Stajan gets waived and Lazar is kept around or dealt for a guy like Duclair. Hamilton is waived too. So here's where I think the Flames would stand:

Gaudreau - Monahan - (acquisition)
Tkachuk - Backlund - Jagr/Mangiapane
Bennett - Jankowski - Hathaway
Klimchuk - Hrivik - Jagr/Mangiapane
Brouwer/(acquisition) - Lazar/(acquisition)

IR (estimated return date): Frolik (Feb.), Versteeg (late Mar./Apr.)

Giordano - Hamilton
Stone - Hamonic
Kulak - Andersson
Wotherspoon

Smith
Rittich

Then, in Stockton (my estimate):

Shinkaruk - Stajan - Foo
Cramarossa - F. Hamilton - Poirier
Carroll - Findlay - Lomberg
Glass - Pelley - Gazdic

Kylington - Prout
Robak - Healey
Ollas Mattsson - Doetzel

Gillies
Parsons

[IgiTang]

Originally Posted by Racki

I agree with many in this thread that feel like the coaching staff must be removed before subtracting players of importance.

I still go back to the hiring of Dave Cameron. What GM in his right mind hires a coach whose former team had the worst power play in the league...to run the goddamn power play?

This! Cannot be echoed loudly enough!!!

Edit: and one could argue Cameron’s personnel on that PP in Ottawa was as good as any other teams #1 PP, Karlsson, Stone, Hoffman, Turris, and Ceci/Phaneuf.

That teams PP was the worst in the league and it sure the hell wasnt due to “the players not being ready on a daily basis” (or to that effect). It was the god damn system. And people are surprised it isn’t working for the Flames?... honestly wtf BT?

[Racki]

Originally Posted by nemanja2306

I don't think any GM hires assistant coaches without input, advice or suggestions of their HC. Simply because the HC has to work with these people on a daily basis, so they need to trust them and be able to work with them.

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Ok. I admit, I have no idea who's idea it was to bring him in but as an organization it was an enormous failure.

That hiring would be like bringing in Bill Bellichick to run your media relations department.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Monahan For Mayor

He had the worst roster in the NHL for the majority of his time in Phoenix. Can't think of any coaches that could win with the teams he had.

People associate him with boring because he had to play a style that was conducive to winning with an undermanned roster. The best players he had to work with in OEL, Yandle, Vrbata, and Doan all produced under him but take a look at his rosters after that. Guys like Gagner, Moss, Richardson, Korpikoski, etc. Hard to imagine an exciting team when your best forward is in his mid-30's and the rest of the scoring comes from two defensemen.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Ah I thought Risto was a leftie.

Scandella abd Beaulieu are their top 4 lefties?

Brodie for RoR makes some sense. Flames add $3M in payroll

They can still make my proposed Pitt deal but then is RoR/Cole much better than Backlund/Brodie? I say that is a downgrade but at least the Flames would have a 1st round pick again

I would sooner part ways with Brodie than Hamilton.

For all the vitriol directed towards Treliving & GG, I'm amazed Brodie gets a free pass by most on this board. Aside from his two years with Gio & Hartley, he has hardly shown anything that would even suggest he is anything more than a good top 4 D. He has been brutal on the PP. can't shot, can't get shots through, has made a number of defensive blunders that have cost the team points.

Other than being a great skater, what else does he bring? Seems like a cheaper version of J Bouwmeester

[Racki]

I'm just glad something is happening. I was terrified that Burke, Treliving, Conroy, and Maloney were sitting in an office talking about how "if we just keep playing like this the wins will start piling up." The wins are not piling up.

To steal a line from Jay Feaster, you'd have to think that Gulutzan and Cameron are "whistling by the graveyard" right now. Those seats are red hot.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Racki

I'm just glad something is happening. I was terrified that Burke, Treliving, Conroy, and Maloney were sitting in an office talking about how "if we just keep playing like this the wins will start piling up." The wins are not piling up.

To steal a line from Jay Feaster, you'd have to think that Gulutzan and Cameron are "whistling by the graveyard" right now. Those seats are red hot.

I suspect Boomer's "source" on this is Conroy. It remains to be seen what other moves are coming - but Boom is connected to the team and rarely wrong about what he is hearing.

[Major Major]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

I wonder if Tippet wouldn’t be a more entertaining coach with a better roster? He did what he had to in Arizona to try and get wins. With a more mobile D and skilled forwards hopefully they wouldn’t be so boring.

Agreed about winning though doesn’t matter at the end of the day as long as the team is one of the best.

Don't even have to wonder. His Dallas teams scored at a good rate.