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Old 12-30-2017, 04:27 AM   #241
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Not sure why stajan gets pk time. Guy is horrible now.
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Old 12-30-2017, 04:52 AM   #242
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By the time we clean house, Gaudreau's pennypinch lowball contract will be finished
How is it a bargain contract? It seems fair for a guy who disappears for extended stretches of every season.
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Old 12-30-2017, 06:45 AM   #244
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I expect Dave Tippett will be named the next HC.
Then the Flames could become even more boring.
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I don’t know if that’s possible. Someone posted the stats of Tippett coached teams and for the most part they weren’t low scoring teams that he has a reputation for. Modano has gone on record saying this is not the case and that he pushes offense. If you discount his last years in Phoenix where prime Scotty Bowman couldn’t have made them a winning team, he’s made the playoffs 8 of 9 season coached. Given the fact that we have a nice collection of young high potential highly offensive players, I think Tippett would do just fine. I’m sick of watching our fast, mobile, great passing defenseman being neutered under Gulutzan. Sutter would be my first choice but Tippett would still be a welcome sight. Anyone but Gulutzan.
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Old 12-30-2017, 08:18 AM   #246
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So, does anybody else miss the gm shots mid game??

I want to see treliving and Burke squirming uncomfortably as I do each game day.
Do they have a camera is Toronto to get Burke on video?
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Old 12-30-2017, 09:00 AM   #247
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Can we appreciate the fact that now both Keith and Matthew Tkachuk have fought Kesler?
Haha -- that's awesome. Such a (Matthew) Tkachuk thing to do by throwing 20+ short jabs while Kesler tries for the big KO.
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Old 12-30-2017, 09:09 AM   #248
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How is it a bargain contract? It seems fair for a guy who disappears for extended stretches of every season.
When? When he didn't have training camp last year? Even when the team struggles he still puts up points this year. That contract is a steal.
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Then the Flames could become even more boring.
How exciting have the Coyotes looked this season under a different coach?
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Because he can never get it through to the net.

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Old 12-30-2017, 10:03 AM   #251
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If Trev does not make a coaching change (including the special team coach) the team will be choked to death. Gave up a 2-1 lead in the SJ game and was never able to come back. Trailing the Ducks for 1 goal and never have any opportunity to even the score. This team, with the coaching staff, is a losing proposition. The worst change is not to make any.

Pull the Trigger !
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Ya I’m on board with trading either or both of Brodie and Hamilton. Things are rotten and team needs a shake up desperately.
Trading any of our players before getting rid of this useless coaching staff would be a huge mistake!! Bring in better coaching and the results will come with this team. Stick with current coaching bozos and we are handing the Islanders a lottery pick.
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Same. The only ace in the hole treliving has is to make some blockbuster hockey deals. IMO
So you don't think hiring a new, NHL quality, head coach is an option? Did anyone think our core was too soft when we knocked off the Canucks in the first round a couple of years ago? Well the core is pretty much the same but back then we had a coach that built an identity for this team as a bunch of hard working guys who would never give up no matter what the score. What is our teams identity since Gulutzan took over?? We don't have one. All I know is that when Anaheim went up 2-1 last night, I knew the game was over. I knew they weren't coming back. Under Gulutzan this team has no fight in them. They play like a bunch of ####ing pansies!! With the exception of Tkachuk, and he is one of the youngsters on the team.
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Old 12-30-2017, 10:47 AM   #254
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Monahan is a pure goal scorer. He snipes goals from in close. That's his game, and he's very good at it.

But no, he doesn't bring anything else to table. He's not good without the puck, strong on the forecheck or backcheck. He doesn't cycle especially well , he's not physical, and he doesn't have another level of intensity. What you see is what you get. At this point, you pretty much have to accept it.
When I look through the core, the traits you apply to Monahan really stand out as a roster hole given his de jure status as "#1C". True, he's probably a 40 goal scorer, but I feel like I would rather have a more balanced 30 goal scorer who would make Gaudreau shine... Johnny's dynamic chemistry with players like Nathan MacKinnon, Auston Matthews and Sam Bennett stands out as more "two-man game" than the predictable "feeder and shooter" element we are currently sitting on, not only 5 on 5 but on the power play.
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Monahan is a pure goal scorer. He snipes goals from in close. That's his game, and he's very good at it.

But no, he doesn't bring anything else to table. He's not good without the puck, strong on the forecheck or backcheck. He doesn't cycle especially well , he's not physical, and he doesn't have another level of intensity. What you see is what you get. At this point, you pretty much have to accept it.
Very difficult to see a team being led deep into the playoffs with Monahan as its top minute center. He's the definition of a one dimensional player, and yes, his one dimension is very good but that's about it.

Edit: and why don't we wait until he scores multiple 30 goal seasons before anointing him a 40 goal man. Sure he might do that once in his career, but he is what he is, a 30 goal scorer.

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What's most frustrating about this team right now is that they're losing a lot of 1 goal games. Imagine if the PP actually converted once in a while, and if the team didn't fold like a cheap tent at the first sign of adversity, they'd probably be at least 8 points higher in the standings right now. 7 lousy shots in the 3rd period when you're only down by a goal is inexcusable.

One bounce and the Flames were right back in that game, and yet they were unable to generate anything offensively after the Ducks scored their 2nd goal. Instead they just raised the white flag and checked out with almost a full period still to play. That's embarrassing.
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Old 12-30-2017, 12:28 PM   #257
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What's most frustrating about this team right now is that they're losing a lot of 1 goal games. Imagine if the PP actually converted once in a while, and if the team didn't fold like a cheap tent at the first sign of adversity, they'd probably be at least 8 points higher in the standings right now. 7 lousy shots in the 3rd period when you're only down by a goal is inexcusable.

One bounce and the Flames were right back in that game, and yet they were unable to generate anything offensively after the Ducks scored their 2nd goal. Instead they just raised the white flag and checked out with almost a full period still to play. That's embarrassing.
To be fair, the only reason they were in the game was a bounce. That Gibson rebound was a mistake by the goalie, not a great play by us.

The Flames can't score goals when they play the way Gully wants them to (see the 2nd period last night, and the SJ game). "It's about execution", it's not like we're getting dozens of good scoring chances a game. We generate very few chances. The team plays it safe 5v5 and on the PP. They take low % shots because "goals are scored on rebounds", then the coach claims it's all because a lack of execution. The players feel the pressure, their games go sideways. It's a really unhealthy culture, and we've seen it before (the Brent Sutter years), except now we actually have talent and it's the same story regardless.

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Old 12-30-2017, 12:46 PM   #258
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Would love to see what D Sutter would do with this squad. Only thing that concerns me is that the players basically ousted Hartley because he was a hardass, but he ain’t nothin compared to Sutter.

I honestly think it’s what they need though. Gully is a wilted flower out there, and I’m sure his player utilization is frustrating even for the players themselves.
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Old 12-30-2017, 12:55 PM   #259
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I enjoyed Kesler getting punched in the head by Matthew multiple times. I enjoyed Kesler taking a couple of Stone slappers in the arms. I enjoyed Kesler being highsticked in the face by Monahan.

#### Kesler.
Hah -- my comment was "Hit him again - he's still standing!!"
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Old 12-30-2017, 12:58 PM   #260
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End of the day it comes down to special teams. Until that is fixed and consistent, the flames will be a .500 team.
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