The Last Jedi Spoiler thread

[Looch City]

I enjoyed the movie. Better than TFA but I think Rogue One still beats it.

Wtf moments for me were Leia floating in space and the entire Finn plot. It seemed very pointless in the end.

[RogerWilco]

Originally Posted by corporatejay

Rey should have joined Ren to rule the galaxy forcing Luke to come "out of retirement". That would have been a dark turn.

Also, for those of you saying there is "something missing". It's because you're not a child anymore.

This, I was thinking the exact same thing while reading this thread.

The childhood movies are full of terrible acting and cheese, but they are fun just like TLJ was. I loved it.

[RogerWilco]

Originally Posted by Roughneck

I'd have to ask again, what parts of A New Hope or Empire Strikes back would be pointed out as stuff that was put in just for the kids? The universe alone was enough to capture my imagination as a kid. The X-Wings were cool. I don't think porgs or gags were ever needed for me to love Star Wars when I watched it.

I'll say again, it wasn't until ROTJ that we started seeing stuff that was clearly put in for kids, and to explicitly market stuff to kids. The stuff in ANH and ESB was just stuff kids happened to like. But you don't become the phenomenon Star Wars became in 1977 by making "a kids movie."

I don't know about you but when I was a kid watching these movies my parents or any of the other adults around in my life cared one lick about any of them.

[chemgear]

If we can turn the Alberta Politics Thread into "OMG Nazi's", let's Godwin this!

[blankall]

Originally Posted by RogerWilco

This, I was thinking the exact same thing while reading this thread.

The childhood movies are full of terrible acting and cheese, but they are fun just like TLJ was. I loved it.

TFA and Rogue One were both good movies. The Last Jedi isn't. The acting styles have more to do with the Era and genre than target audience.

Is the Last Jedi even a kids movie? The dialogue, social issues, and dry humor seems more adult orientated than other Star Wars movies.

Disney missed the mark for large parts of their audience here. It has nothing to do with people outgrowing the series. It's just a very oddly directed movie. The tone feels like an episode of the office at times and like pirates of the Caribbean at other times.

[direwolf]

Had my 2nd viewing yesterday, and my opinion hasn't changed. Great movie. In fact I think I enjoyed it even more this time. I'm excited to see how Abrams wraps it all up in episode IX.

[_Q_]

I saw this yesterday. I'll preface this post by saying that I'm just a minor fan boy of the star wars films. What I mean by that is that I've watched all the movies several times, but I don't have a clue what goes on in the expanded universe. I have never read any of the books and don't care enough for the story to really delve deeply into it.

I thought it was a solid movie. Not my favorite in the series, but definitely good. I'd rate it a 7/10.

I wasn't bothered much by most of the complaints around here and in other forums. I will admit, the Leia coming back to life scene was dumb and to me that was the absolute worst part of the film.

I did think it dragged on a bit, but that didn't bother me much.

I never really cared to know who Snoke is, so killing him off half way through never bothered me. I'm not sure if I needed a back story on him, or if that would have made the movie more enjoyable to me. Likewise, I'm OK with Rey's parents being nobodies. I have a feeling this was a lie, but I'm fine with it being the truth.

I did enjoy the action sequences. Unlike most of you, I really enjoyed Rose's character and her relationship with Fin. Just this every day flawed individual who goes off to do heroic things (or at least attempt to).

I do like the fact that Kylo Ren is this deeply flawed villain. Yes, I can see how he comes off as some bratty loser, but who cares? That's his personality and in a sense, that makes him more dangerous than this calculating, almost flawless super villain like Darth Vader. Ren's personality makes him highly unpredictable which I find great.

Again, not my favorite of the series, but definitely a good one. I would like to watch it again soon to see if I feel differently this time about it.

[killer_carlson]

According to Box Office Mojo, Last Jedi had a huge day on December 25th - it's 4th biggest since it's opening. It more than doubled its box office from December 24th. Based on its daily results i'm guessing that it should pass Wonder Woman today and go into 2nd place for the year.

Looking at the weekend results, Star Wars' $100 Million was almost double Jumanji's $52 Million.

As of this morning it would be $107 Million short of Beauty and the Beast for #1 for the year for the domestic outcome.


So I think those critics who are so upset about the movie they are calling for it to be removed from Star Wars cannon, or who want to see the series dumped on its head, are going to be totally furious with the staying power and broad market appeal of the film.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by killer_carlson

According to Box Office Mojo, Last Jedi had a huge day on December 25th - it's 4th biggest since it's opening. It more than doubled its box office from December 24th. Based on its daily results i'm guessing that it should pass Wonder Woman today and go into 2nd place for the year.

Looking at the weekend results, Star Wars' $100 Million was almost double Jumanji's $52 Million.

As of this morning it would be $107 Million short of Beauty and the Beast for #1 for the year for the domestic outcome.


So I think those critics who are so upset about the movie they are calling for it to be removed from Star Wars cannon, or who want to see the series dumped on its head, are going to be totally furious with the staying power and broad market appeal of the film.

The Christmas day movie goer is a very new phenomenon. Hence a lot of the top Christmas movies being very recent:

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/alltime...ge=xmas&p=.htm

The Christmas boost really doesn't mean much for the long term prospects. If the movie makes half as much as TFA that's a serious problem. You can't compare a Star Wars movie to a Jumanji reboot (which btw had the 7th best Christmas day ever, despite being crap). The comparables are other Star Wars movies....

[OutOfTheCube]

It was never going to have the legs of Force Awakens, even if it was universally loved. That was a lightning in a bottle type movie -- long awaited sequel, return of old beloved characters, positive reviews and word of mouth, decades of frustration from the bad prequels as well as a decade of nothing...

It would be more apt to compare it to Rogue One, which you would expect it to perform better than at the box office (which it is pacing to do).

[killer_carlson]

Originally Posted by blankall

The Christmas day movie goer is a very new phenomenon. Hence a lot of the top Christmas movies being very recent:

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/alltime...ge=xmas&p=.htm

The Christmas boost really doesn't mean much for the long term prospects. If the movie makes half as much as TFA that's a serious problem. You can't compare a Star Wars movie to a Jumanji reboot (which btw had the 7th best Christmas day ever, despite being crap). The comparables are other Star Wars movies....

You compare it to every other movie made in the same year. That is what it competes with for entertainment dollars. That is the best comparable. What movies are consumers most willing to spend money to go see. You compare it to Justice League, to Wonder Woman, to Guardians, to Greatest Showman etc. At the end of the year, what film made the most money?

In 12 days it has become the second biggest move of the entire year. It is blowing everything else away, save one, and it may catch that by the end of next week. It would do in 20 days what Beauty and the Beast did in 5 months.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by OutOfTheCube

It was never going to have the legs of Force Awakens, even if it was universally loved. That was a lightning in a bottle type movie -- long awaited sequel, return of old beloved characters, positive reviews and word of mouth, decades of frustration from the bad prequels as well as a decade of nothing...

It would be more apt to compare it to Rogue One, which you would expect it to perform better than at the box office (which it is pacing to do).

Rogue one is a side project that's aimed at a narrower market. I agree that you can't expect TFA numbers, but if it finishes at about half of TFA, that would be a disappointment. TLJ was expected to do about 750 mill domestic and 1.5 billion worldwide :

http://collider.com/star-wars-last-j...ce-prediction/

It has a lot of work to do.

[OutOfTheCube]

I think it will continue to play well through January though -- there are going to be a lot of more casual movie-goers who go "after the crowds are gone" or after they're done with all their family holiday stuff. And there's basically zero big-budget blockbuster competition until med-February with Black Panther.

Even if it "only" makes $650 million, that's still top 5 domestic gross all time, and it shouldn't have trouble cracking the top 10 for worldwide gross. An enormous success, even if it isn't close to TFA numbers. It's no "Justice League".

[troutman]

LOL at anyone liking I - III better than this. Just saw the prequel again and those three are the most tedious, poorly written, and poorly acted movies of the series, by far.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by troutman

LOL at anyone liking I - III better than this. Just saw the prequel again and those three are the most tedious, poorly written, and poorly acted movies of the series, by far.

Yeah, I just watched III again last night and couldn't believe how awful it was.

[White Out 403]

the prequels showed just how much of a counter weight Lucas needed. the stories about the insane choices he was going to make for episodes 4 5 and 6 are enough to make you turn white.

[icecube]

Originally Posted by troutman

LOL at anyone liking I - III better than this. Just saw the prequel again and those three are the most tedious, poorly written, and poorly acted movies of the series, by far.

I didn't care much for The Last Jedi but it was still well made and entertaining. The prequels are irredeemable dog####. Not in the same league.

[Max Cow Disease]

I quite like III. I put it on a tier above I and II.

[blankall]

Minus the humor, I found TLJ very similar to ROTS. They had similar pacing and plot issues. Both had redeemable individual performances. Ewan McGregor's performance was very strong, just as Adam Driver's performance is.

ROTS gets lumped in with the other prequels, but it's not nearly as bad.

Here's a poll on the subject:

https://comicvine.gamespot.com/forum...-jedi-1916298/

Obviously there are many people who prefer RotS... It's hardly a "lol" situation, with one movie being clearly better. It's two flawed movies, with personal preference deciding which is best.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by blankall

Minus the humor, I found TLJ very similar to ROTS. They had similar pacing and plot issues. Both had redeemable individual performances. Ewan McGregor's performance was very strong, just as Adam Driver's performance is.

ROTS gets lumped in with the other prequels, but it's not nearly as bad.

Here's a poll on the subject:

https://comicvine.gamespot.com/forum...-jedi-1916298/

Obviously there are many people who prefer RotS... It's hardly a "lol" situation, with one movie being clearly better. It's two flawed movies, with personal preference deciding which is best.

McGregor did what he could with the material he was given but the dialogue was such hot garbage that there was only so much he could salvage. It's actually pretty amazing how Lucas managed to make four Academy Award winners look like B movie actors for the prequels. So much cringe in all three prequels.

People put RotS on a pedestal above the other prequels because it would have been hard to make a worse movie than episodes I & II but it still suffers from many of the same problems (bad acting, bad writing, over use of CGI & special effects, ridiculous light-saber battles, etc.).