The trials and tribulations of Glen Gulutzan

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by The Fonz

Do we really know that GG was hand-picked by Treliving? Perhaps BT was given a dollar figure that he needed to work with, which priced other coaches out of our market?

That's the only way I can justify him not even reaching out to Boudreau, so I'm running with it.

No way the Flamesmwill spend to the cap on players and not on staff. If thenowners were cheap in that regard we wouldn’t have the structure of Burke-Treliving it would be the GM reporting to King and the Owners.

The question is are the Flames still paying Hartley? If he signed a 3 year extension they would be so I am not sure they want to pay 3 coaches this year or not?

We all know Treliving really wants Gully to succeed this is the guy he hand picked. I don’t think they will do a knee jerk reaction and fire him but at this point would it be a knee jerk move?

[Zulu29]

Originally Posted by Gaskal

I've thought this team had turned the corner like 5-6 times already this season, getting real sick of this "fool me again" thing on loop.

It’s two steps forward two steps back. Been a very frustrating season to be a fan of this team, especially because it is loaded with young talent.

[Psytic]

If we are paying him any way we might as well bring Hartley back to be the motivational and conditioning side of the coaching.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by New Era

This place is going to go into meltdown mode when the Oilers pass the Flames in the standings.

Id like to think we are still at "if", not "when".

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Psytic

If we are paying him any way we might as well bring Hartley back to be the motivational and conditioning side of the coaching.

My understanding was players almost unanimously wanted Hartley gone. When you hear the morning show on the Fan talk about it even sounded like some players said they didn’t want to return if Bob was brought back. Hartley in no way shape or form is an option for this team moving forward.

[Machiavelli]

I just don't understand how the breakouts/transition game can be so awful.

I can't help but compare them to teams like the Golden Knights (they moved the puck up ice seamlessly last night against the Capitals), who have a bunch of also-rans on D.

This is something that has to be on the coaches. Otherwise, our defensemen are just not very good players which I don't believe for a second.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

My understanding was players almost unanimously wanted Hartley gone. When you hear the morning show on the Fan talk about it even sounded like some players said they didn’t want to return if Bob was brought back. Hartley in no way shape or form is an option for this team moving forward.

If true, that may be more of a problem with the players than the old coach. Luckily they are putting in such a consistently strong effort for the nice, new guy.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

If true, that may be more of a problem with the players than the old coach. Luckily they are putting in such a consistently strong effort for the nice, new guy.

Not very different than the King’s wanting Sutter gone last year.

But I would agree they are not getting it done with the softie right now so hire a different hard ass coach. Which is why I am pro Sutter

[Inferno]

Originally Posted by Psytic

If we are paying him any way we might as well bring Hartley back to be the motivational and conditioning side of the coaching.

I don't think they're paying him anymore. His extension was two years according to this TSN article so wouldn't it have expired after last season?

https://www.tsn.ca/flames-sign-head-...nsion-1.162327

[4X4]

The Flames are lucky that they hooked me when I was 10 years old, by winning the Cup. It held me over long enough to keep the faith during the Young Guns era, and then the magical run of '04 when I was 25 re-upped my fandom. Now I'm 39, and my give-a-f*** level is getting pretty low. I would continue giving F***s, if I saw an attempt at improvement, like I did in the off season, acquiring players and the tweaks to the line up. But the in game and in season ongoing WTF's are just getting so frustrating, I can barely watch anymore. I didn't even watch the Montreal game, because they scored in the first minute. I just knew that that was how the game would end. I hear they called that goal back, but I still just knew it. Screw it. Somehow I knew they'd find a way to lose, and there would be some stupid BS in the PGT asking the same questions about the powerplay, and things like Stajan and Brouwer out on the ice with less than 2 minutes to play.

Same sh*t, different day. Over and over. Swell job, Gulutzan. And seriously, Treliving is clawing his way up my sh8tlist by refusing to see that his coach refuses to see the problems and make adjustments.

It's seriously unbelievable that he refuses to try other things. And the patience shown by some of the fans on this site baffles me as well. MLB plays 162 games per year. Nearly double that of an NHL schedule, and you see managers pulling pitchers after one bad pitch. Meanwhile, we've got the same 4th line as we did game 1. In an 82 game schedule. At game 35.

Bravo, Gulutzan. You're so much smarter than everyone else. Don't worry, it'll all work out one day, right? Just keep on keeping on. 30 years of being a Flames fan, and this is what I get.

I hate to admit it, but honestly, if it wasn't for my hopeless addiction to this site, I think I would no longer be a fan anymore. The Brent Sutter era was so pathetic, I seriously think I would have entirely checked out. And now the Flames are doubling down on boring failure as their recipe to success.

[dirk diggler]

i feel dirty even saying this but i like the way the canucks play, their coach has them playing a real team game and competing. You never know with the Flames what their effort level will be.... Most coaches wouldnt have Brouwer on the PP, guy is useless, yet GG continues to play him more than he should.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by dirk diggler

i feel dirty even saying this but i like the way the canucks play, their coach has them playing a real team game and competing. You never know with the Flames what their effort level will be.... Most coaches wouldnt have Brouwer on the PP, guy is useless, yet GG continues to play him more than he should.

I wonder how different things could have been had Treliving hired Green instead. He’s looking like a much better head coach.

[dirk diggler]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

I wonder how different things could have been had Treliving hired Green instead. He’s looking like a much better head coach.

he really does, seems like a no nonsense coach. i dont see every canucks game by any means but typically they seem to have a more consistent effort level. I think BT overrated this team and thought they were closer than they are, otherwhise he doesnt make the Hamonic trade. this trade could really hurt if the Flames continue to flounder and this pick becomes a lottery pick.

[Monahan For Mayor]

If we don't make playoffs Treliving could be fired too. You can't go all in on trades and not make the playoffs.

[JohnnyB]

Originally Posted by jayswin

That's where a coach like Darryl Sutter shines.

I strongly, strongly disagree with many Gulutzan supporters who seem to think coaching can't fix a lack of compete, effort and care . That's exactly what certain coaches can do, in fact it's what sets them apart from the dozens upon dozens of mediocre coaches that get an NHL shot or two and nothing more.

Agreed. When I look back on the 2004 team, as great as Iginla was, I believe Sutter was the real captain of that team. He was truly able to lead that group emotionally and tactically, defining both their style of play and their spirit. That's what real leaders should do, and I don't get the sense of that from GG.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Monahan For Mayor

If we don't make playoffs Treliving could be fired too. You can't go all in on trades and not make the playoffs.

I really hope the organization is not that shirt sighted. Would be nice to have some stability in the role...the constant cycling through different regimes is a hallmark of a weak franchise

[VladtheImpaler]

Originally Posted by Wild GM

I really hope the organization is not that shirt sighted. Would be nice to have some stability in the role...the constant cycling through different regimes is a hallmark of a weak franchise

...which is exactly what this is, since Fletcher left.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by Wild GM

I really hope the organization is not that shirt sighted. Would be nice to have some stability in the role...the constant cycling through different regimes is a hallmark of a weak franchise

Would you have preferred they’d stuck with Feaster or Sutter?

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

Would you have preferred they’d stuck with Feaster or Sutter?

Not to put words in his mouth, but I think he's saying we clearly have a stable GM in the role now, let's not turf him the first season things aren't going perfectly according to plan and give a guy with some great trades (along with a couple poor trades and signings in hindsight) some more rope - A chance to see a vision through within reason.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by jayswin

Not to put words in his mouth, but I think he's saying we clearly have a stable GM in the role now, let's not turf him the first season things aren't going perfectly according to plan and give a guy with some great trades (along with a couple poor trades and signings in hindsight) some more rope - A chance to see a vision through within reason.

Well if you think you have the right guy, then I agree you give him the time he needs. That is different than being afraid of change.

I don’t want to see Treliving fired but I sure hope he is articulating a vision to Burke and company that makes sense. I am not a huge fan of some of the moves he has made, and really was hoping we’d see a longer term focus on drafting and developing.

My biggest fear is he looks to trade out of this current problem and the team gets older, slower and less skilled as a result.