2017/2018 Trade Speculation and Rumors

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Welcome to the business side of the NHL. Simple as that. Big picture is that Tkachuk and Janko and maybe Bennett are going to get big raises. Center is a position of strength vs weak wings. If Moving Backlund grants the team itself better overall forward balance, Im afraid to say you gotta do it.

If we think with our heads instead of our hearts, there's an equal chance they move Backlund as there is of re-signing him.

I get it, Backlund should be a Flame for life, I truly believe that, but I don't see the long term advantage of keeping him over moving him to make the overall team better.

Disagree with the bold. Current depth:

Monahan
Backlund
Jankowski
Stajan
Lazar
Hrivik
with Bennett a possibility, but he appears to be on a different path

You take Backlund out of there, with Stajan done after this season, and you have:

Monahan
Jankowski
Lazar
Hrivik
(unless you move Bennett back)

That is REALLY weak, IMO. We finally have some centre depth, and people want to get rid of Backlund.

For me, Monahan, Backlund, Jankowski is a group you can build on.

Gaudreau, Tkachuk, Bennett, Mangiapane, Dube is a solid group on LW

Ferland, Frolik, Hathaway (after this season) isn't good enough on RW. Get this team a top line RW, and we have the depth to compete. And yes, we can afford Backlund AND an RW, we just need to make sure we don't overpay BAcklund (I do not think he will get $6M).

[Vinny01]

I don’t think anyone wants to get rid of Backlund butnis completely reasonable to not want to overpay him until his mid 30’s. Personally I hope he signs for a reasonable deal but the two worst case scenarios are overpaying him which could make it hard to retain young players when they need a raise or losing him for nothing in free agency. Both are realistic possibilities.

This team is supposed to win now and they have not taken a step forward despite upgrading their goaltending and defense. It is not to say they can’t win with so many key forwards being young and some solid D prospects but maybe the Flames need to take a step back rather than pay a 2nd line centre $6M when we all hope Backlund gets pushed down to the third line due to Jankowski developing.

[TheFlamesVan]

It's going to be somewhere around $4.5mil.

[RoughRiderRowdy]

Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan

Backlund finally pans out to be the player we wanted him to be after waiting so long. Now we want him out?

Watch out Janko, you're up in 5 years.

If we could only keep backlund at 7.1 million per season would you still want him at that?

[ForeverFlameFan]

Originally Posted by RoughRiderRowdy

If we could only keep backlund at 7.1 million per season would you still want him at that?

Where the hell are you getting 7.1?

Never underestimate the master negotiating GM we have.

Remember when we thought Gio would get 7.5? 6.75m
Remember when we thought Gaudreau would get 8-9m? 6.75m
Remember when we thought Monahan would get 7mish? 6.3m.

Few examples, but you get my point. Backlund is getting 4.5-5.5.

[RoughRiderRowdy]

Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan

Where the hell are you getting 7.1?

Never underestimate the master negotiating GM we have.

Remember when we thought Gio would get 7.5? 6.75m
Remember when we thought Gaudreau would get 8-9m? 6.75m
Remember when we thought Monahan would get 7mish? 6.3m.

Few examples, but you get my point. Backlund is getting 4.5-5.5.

And if thats what he gets then sign him. Some guys saying 6 million per LOL

[edslunch]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

I don’t think anyone wants to get rid of Backlund butnis completely reasonable to not want to overpay him until his mid 30’s. Personally I hope he signs for a reasonable deal but the two worst case scenarios are overpaying him which could make it hard to retain young players when they need a raise or losing him for nothing in free agency. Both are realistic possibilities.

This team is supposed to win now and they have not taken a step forward despite upgrading their goaltending and defense. It is not to say they can’t win with so many key forwards being young and some solid D prospects but maybe the Flames need to take a step back rather than pay a 2nd line centre $6M when we all hope Backlund gets pushed down to the third line due to Jankowski developing.

Don’t worry, Swedes play forever

[edslunch]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

I don’t think anyone wants to get rid of Backlund butnis completely reasonable to not want to overpay him until his mid 30’s. Personally I hope he signs for a reasonable deal but the two worst case scenarios are overpaying him which could make it hard to retain young players when they need a raise or losing him for nothing in free agency. Both are realistic possibilities.

This team is supposed to win now and they have not taken a step forward despite upgrading their goaltending and defense. It is not to say they can’t win with so many key forwards being young and some solid D prospects but maybe the Flames need to take a step back rather than pay a 2nd line centre $6M when we all hope Backlund gets pushed down to the third line due to Jankowski developing.

Don’t worry, Swedes play forever

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan

Where the hell are you getting 7.1?

Never underestimate the master negotiating GM we have.

Remember when we thought Gio would get 7.5? 6.75m
Remember when we thought Gaudreau would get 8-9m? 6.75m
Remember when we thought Monahan would get 7mish? 6.3m.

Few examples, but you get my point. Backlund is getting 4.5-5.5.

Flames should have paid Johnny for 8 years. Didn’t like the deal as soon as it was announced. Leads me t believe if the Flames are going to get Backlund at reasonable money it is going to take 6-7 years to do it.

[neo45]

I don’t think I ever saw Johnny and 9 mil get suggested once, anywhere.


I saw the Tarasenko contract as a comparable maybe 1,000 times though.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by neo45

I don’t think I ever saw Johnny and 9 mil get suggested once, anywhere.

There was a lot of talk about Giordano at 9, however. Maybe FFF was thinking of that.

[sun]

Originally Posted by Wild GM

Summarizing what was a really thoughtful post down to “Someone compared Bergeron to Backlund” ignores everything else said in the post and misrepresents what was being said.
It is indeed the holidays so how about easing off on the drive bys particularly when someone put an actual effort into their post

You new here? This is his schtick. Not posting drive bys would reduce his posts to roughly zero. Would be great for sure, but not gonna happen.

Report the post to the mods instead. It might seem hopeless, given his world-record long leash. But it's worth a shot.

[VilleN]

Originally Posted by RoughRiderRowdy

And if thats what he gets then sign him. Some guys saying 6 million per LOL

Wow, some ppl suggesting .5m more than you are. What an absolute laugher that is.


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[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Flames should have paid Johnny for 8 years. .

It would have knocked the AAV quite a bit though, as those last 2 years would have been very expensive, since Johnny signing a 8 year deal was not in his bast interests. as he would have become a UFA at a less opportune time.

The Flames couldn't have ever aspect of the contract in their favour. They eventually gave in on the length, Johnny lowered the AAV.

[cKy]

Originally Posted by sun

You new here? This is his schtick. Not posting drive bys would reduce his posts to roughly zero. Would be great for sure, but not gonna happen.

Report the post to the mods instead. It might seem hopeless, given his world-record long leash. But it's worth a shot.

Could be wrong, hit I'm pretty sure Wild GM is a mod.

[Cheese]

Originally Posted by sun

You new here? This is his schtick. Not posting drive bys would reduce his posts to roughly zero. Would be great for sure, but not gonna happen.

Report the post to the mods instead. It might seem hopeless, given his world-record long leash. But it's worth a shot.

Yeah Wild GM...you new here or what?

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

It would have knocked the AAV quite a bit though, as those last 2 years would have been very expensive, since Johnny signing a 8 year deal was not in his bast interests. as he would have become a UFA at a less opportune time.

The Flames couldn't have ever aspect of the contract in their favour. They eventually gave in on the length, Johnny lowered the AAV.

Flames should have paid Johnny the $7.5M he wanted for the 8 years. It was rumored that is what he wanted. Even if they paid him $8M that would have been a steal. The Oilers once again ruined second contracts paying Draisaitl $8.5M per season. I won’t rip the McDavid deal because every team does that co tract but never te less that deal impacts other young players coming up.

I was not a fan of the Johnny deal from day 1 entirely due to the 6 year term. That is partially due to the fact I don’t think he will stay in Calgary after this contract and he will be considered quite underpaid and will want top dollar when he controls his destiny. The flames had all the leverage on that negotiation and used it.

[Samonadreau]

Johnny has 4.5 years left on his deal. We'll figure it out then.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Samonadreau

Johnny has 4.5 years left on his deal. We'll figure it out then.

Fair enough but it would sure be a lot cooler if he had 6.5 years left.

It all ties into the discussion on Backlund and should the Flames pay him big money and term that goes beyond the timeframe where they need to re-sign Monahan and Gaudreau?

Tkachuk, Bennett, Hamilton, Brodie will all be expecting raises in the same tune frame. Tkachuk, Bennett, Hamilton absolutely should be kept long term due to age.

It would be awesome for Backlund to sign a 5 year deal so it aligns with the Monahan extension. Theoretically if the Flames keep Johnny they can use the cap coming from Gio expiring to sign Johnny. Perhaps the same with Backlund and Monahan. If the Flames Go 6-7 years with Backs north of $5M it could hurt their ability to keep the team together.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Disagree with the bold. Current depth:

Monahan
Backlund
Jankowski
Stajan
Lazar
Hrivik
with Bennett a possibility, but he appears to be on a different path

You take Backlund out of there, with Stajan done after this season, and you have:

Monahan
Jankowski
Lazar
Hrivik
(unless you move Bennett back)

That is REALLY weak, IMO. We finally have some centre depth, and people want to get rid of Backlund.

This is true and probably why Bennett was given so long to try and make a dent at centre. One thing to add - Dube can play C and seems to have the motor to be a decent one. He might be a third line C down the road (versus maybe a second line LW).