Justin Trudeau says marijuana should be legalized

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by speede5

You could be my kid? Except for substitute abusive for broken/divorced home.

Lots of good points in the last couple posts, yours and mattyc, I have tried it and other things but it's been eons and I don't intend to do it for a while since I work in a industry with drug testing.

My kids have been open about some of those issues being reasons for smoking, but they refuse to try alternate things like counselling. They feel have found what they need.

Lol, yeah, I had a pretty effed up upbringing. I would have much rather spent time playing sports and going to counselling but my dad pulled me out of high school football because he said I was out of shape and I was too tired and grumpy after games, and refused to send me to counseling because if I was having problems I could always just come talk to him.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Canehdianman

It will be just as high... How many bootleggers do you know nowadays?

A few actually but more to this point, there is already a massive black market with a long entrenched distribution system in place. If the feds want to take over that market, they cannot be charging a bunch more than what already exists. Why would most switch over when it will cost them more?

[GGG]

Originally Posted by transplant99

A few actually but more to this point, there is already a massive black market with a long entrenched distribution system in place. If the feds want to take over that market, they cannot be charging a bunch more than what already exists. Why would most switch over when it will cost them more?

Because people would prefer not to be criminals. Once the product is available legally violators should be heavily prosecuted to increase the cost of the black market.

I think the risk once legal will be worth a fee dollars or gram.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by GGG

Because people would prefer not to be criminals. Once the product is available legally violators should be heavily prosecuted to increase the cost of the black market.

I think the risk once legal will be worth a fee dollars or gram.

If someone has less than an ounce of weed...they cant be criminals. Unless you think law enforcement is going to devote time and money to determine where a persons weed came from.

If you really believe people are going to pay more money for a product they have been buying for less their whole lives (and you know...being "criminals"), you are going to be very surprised.

[Coach]

Originally Posted by transplant99

If someone has less than an ounce of weed...they cant be criminals. Unless you think law enforcement is going to devote time and money to determine where a persons weed came from.

If you really believe people are going to pay more money for a product they have been buying for less their whole lives (and you know...being "criminals"), you are going to be very surprised.

Well it’s available both black market and at dispensaries in Vancouver. I don’t know any single person who buys off the street. Our Swedish friend did once and everyone thought she was a moron.

Do you go seeking a few dollars off your liquor? Would you meet someone in a parking lot buying unlabelled booze out of their trunk because it’s 10% cheaper?I bet you wouldn’t even drive to a store 10 minutes further to save a few bucks off booze.

[TorqueDog]

^ Depends, ten minutes further to get a better deal on booze depends on the deal, really. Particularly if we're talking about scotch.

[Coach]

Originally Posted by TorqueDog

^ Depends, ten minutes further to get a better deal on booze depends on the deal, really. Particularly if we're talking about scotch.

Kind of beside the point (and plays into it actually). I’m a black market for weed you are hardly ever given much of a choice of product so even the idea of seeking out a specific kind is non existent.

The point is more are you going to buy unlabelled rum out of the back of some dudes car because it’s 10% cheaper than a bottle of Captain Morgan’s? My guess is the answer to that is a resounding no.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by MattyC

The point is more are you going to buy unlabelled rum out of the back of some dudes car because it’s 10% cheaper than a bottle of Captain Morgan’s? My guess is the answer to that is a resounding no.

But pot still carries a social stigma. I know I'd feel awkward if I was seen walking out of a pot store by my boss, my in-laws, or one of my kids' teachers. A lot of companies in the energy industry have policies where you can face sanction, including firing, if you use marijuana. I've never heard any of my co-workers in corporate Calgary mention smoking pot, even though people talk about drinking all the time. Some of them must occasionally smoke pot. But it's kept secret. And I'm betting it will continue to be kept secret, even after pot is legalized.

Most people who smoke pot regularly have a reliable and convenient supplier. They swing over to their buddy Terry's place once in a while, get what they need, and are on their way. No hassle or risk. And the only one who knows is Terry.

[Zevo]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

But pot still carries a social stigma. I know I'd feel awkward if I was seen walking out of a pot store by my boss, my in-laws, or one of my kids' teachers. A lot of companies in the energy industry have policies where you can face sanction, including firing, if you use marijuana. I've never heard any of my co-workers in corporate Calgary mention smoking pot, even though people talk about drinking all the time. Some of them must be post users. But it's kept secret. And I'm betting it will be kept secret, even after pot is legalized.

Most people who smoke pot regularly have a reliable and convenient supplier. They swing over to their buddy Terry's place once in a while, get what they need, and are on their way. No hassle or risk. And the only one who knows is Terry.

Really? Does Terry sell edibles? On the coast with dispensaries everywhere, I don't know a single person that doesn't get their weed from there. It's way more convenient, a huge selection, and 'Dispensary Terry' is always home and never out of supply.

I think some have a strange notion of 'most people who smoke pot regularly'. Most of the ones i know are married, have families and careers, and don't really have a 'buddy named Terry' anymore.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Zevo

Really? Does Terry sell edibles? On the coast with dispensaries everywhere, I don't know a single person that doesn't get their weed from there. It's way more convenient, a huge selection, and 'Dispensary Terry' is always home and never out of supply.

I think some have a strange notion of 'most people who smoke pot regularly'. Most of the ones i know are married, have families and careers, and don't really have a 'buddy named Terry'.

What did they do before dispensaries opened?

Everyone has/had a dealer at one time or you didn't buy the stuff.

Indisputable.

as for edibles, I guess thats a thing but did people not just make their own previously? Would that not still be cheaper?

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

But pot still carries a social stigma. I know I'd feel awkward if I was seen walking out of a pot store by my boss, my in-laws, or one of my kids' teachers. A lot of companies in the energy industry have policies where you can face sanction, including firing, if you use marijuana. I've never heard any of my co-workers in corporate Calgary mention smoking pot, even though people talk about drinking all the time. Some of them must occasionally smoke pot. But it's kept secret. And I'm betting it will continue to be kept secret, even after pot is legalized.

Most people who smoke pot regularly have a reliable and convenient supplier. They swing over to their buddy Terry's place once in a while, get what they need, and are on their way. No hassle or risk. And the only one who knows is Terry.

I think that really must depend on where you live. I don't think anyone in Victoria or Vancouver would bat an eye if they saw someone they knew walking out of a dispensary.

[Zevo]

Originally Posted by transplant99

What did they do before dispensaries opened?

Everyone has/had a dealer at one time or you didn't buy the stuff.

Indisputable.

as for edibles, I guess thats a thing but did people not just make their own previously? Would that not still be cheaper?

For me I work with a guy whose brother has connections so if I wanted something I have to plan ahead. Even he has to plan ahead as his brother doesn't have a supply 24/7 365 days a year. The older you get the less 'Terrys' you know, I find anyways. I suppose if I still lived in Calgary...

Instead there is a dispensary across the street from the hospital where I work, in row of doctors offices in a little strip mall. Five minutes and I'm in and out with 3 different strains and a 10 square chocolate bar($10) where 1 square equals a good 4-5 hr back pain free high.

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by transplant99

as for edibles, I guess thats a thing but did people not just make their own previously? Would that not still be cheaper?

Edibles are a pain to prepare. For most baked goods the process would involve making your own cannabis butter and then using that butter in your recipe. It’s much easier to do now with drops available from licensed producers but I think it’s the same as any other food item, while it might be cheaper to make the convenience of having it all done for you is worth the additional cost. Not to mention most store bought edibles have specific dosages of thc in each serving, where as when you make it at home it’s a little trickier to know how much something might have in it.

[PsYcNeT]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

A lot of companies in the energy industry have policies where you can face sanction, including firing, if you use marijuana.

One has to imagine if it becomes legal that these drug-free policies can no longer include pot, much in the same way they currently cannot include alcohol or medication consumption outside the workplace.

High at work? Well that's a different issue altogether.

[speede5]

Originally Posted by rubecube

I think that really must depend on where you live. I don't think anyone in Victoria or Vancouver would bat an eye if they saw someone they knew walking out of a dispensary.

Maybe not, but they might get antsy when they board their flight and recognize that person behind the controls, or lay down for surgery and recognize the guy holding the scalpel.

In time it will become less taboo, but there are going to be lots of scenarios and circumstances to consider. I'm an aircraft maintainer, do you think it's ok for me to blaze on weekends?

We've been discussing it around the office and the expectation is that it will be treated like alcohol, if your are under the influence same standard. But with pot staying in your system there will be hurdles. And no one wants to be the guy out of work defending an unjust firing.

[Hanni]

Originally Posted by PsYcNeT

One has to imagine if it becomes legal that these drug-free policies can no longer include pot, much in the same way they currently cannot include alcohol or medication consumption outside the workplace.

High at work? Well that's a different issue altogether.

We just had training on this and it looks like the stance is the same, there are minimum allowable limits for a variety of drugs, this won't change. You still aren't allowed to test above the threshold even after legalization.

The comparison they made was opiates, you can have a prescription for an opiate (Tylenol 3 for example) that doesn't mean it's okay to be driving a work truck above the limit for opiates outlined in the company policy.

[PsYcNeT]

Originally Posted by Hanni

We just had training on this and it looks like the stance is the same, there are minimum allowable limits for a variety of drugs, this won't change. You still aren't allowed to test above the threshold even after legalization.

The comparison they made was opiates, you can have a prescription for an opiate (Tylenol 3 for example) that doesn't mean it's okay to be driving a work truck above the limit for opiates outlined in the company policy.

Well I mean that's just common sense, but an employer can't mandate recreational usage of really, anything, outside the workplace, as long as you don't exceed minimum residual levels while in the workplace.

I'm speaking more to zero-tolerance policies where if you test positive for pot usage in the last 30 days (but have no current impairment during testing/working hours) resulting in termination. Those will be (hopefully) a relic.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by PsYcNeT

One has to imagine if it becomes legal that these drug-free policies can no longer include pot, much in the same way they currently cannot include alcohol or medication consumption outside the workplace.

Since the policies never made any sense in the first place (what risk in there in somebody setting foot on a lease 8 days after they smoked pot?), I don't have a lot of confidence they'll be overturned. The companies can set whatever policies they want regarding substance use, and I expect they will continue to do so. My guess is it will take 5-10 years of management turnover and changing corporate attitudes for pot to really be regarded the same way alcohol is.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by speede5

Maybe not, but they might get antsy when they board their flight and recognize that person behind the controls, or lay down for surgery and recognize the guy holding the scalpel.

Really? Do you think you'd recognize a random stranger you saw in a store if you saw them again two weeks later at the airport, and also be able to place the store you saw them at?

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by speede5

Maybe not, but they might get antsy when they board their flight and recognize that person behind the controls, or lay down for surgery and recognize the guy holding the scalpel.

In time it will become less taboo, but there are going to be lots of scenarios and circumstances to consider. I'm an aircraft maintainer, do you think it's ok for me to blaze on weekends?

I would feel the exact same about it as I would about alcohol.

We've been discussing it around the office and the expectation is that it will be treated like alcohol, if your are under the influence same standard. But with pot staying in your system there will be hurdles. And no one wants to be the guy out of work defending an unjust firing.

This is something that really concerns me as a lot of employers who I’ve spoken to about this hadn’t even considered the fact that their drug and alcohol policies need to be updated to reflect the change. Mind you there is still time and in my personal experience once these employers have been made aware of it they’ve recognized that changes need to be made and have taken steps to do so.