The Last Jedi Spoiler thread

[Bigtime]

Was watching some "Spacedock" on Youtube, giving a quick rundown on some of the new Resistance ships. Perhaps a reason why the Raddus was used in the end for the suicide mission was because of its size. It was 3km long apparently, whereas the new First Order Star Destroyers are about 2km for perspective. The medical frigate was a new (in Universe) Nebulon C class (we have seen Nebulon B's in the OT, the medical frigate at the end of ESB) and was not very large or heavy, and same goes for the final ship we saw destroyed. Some sort of Correllian model that is apparently referred to as a "glass cannon", lots of weaponry but very light in construction.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HKWrKPEhu1k

[CroFlames]

I just saw it. My feelings are confused so I'll wait till captain crunch tells me how I should feel.

I'll share a couple quick thoughts though, but I need to see it again before I make a final judgment.

Yoda scene was awesome, and it was done right by doing 70s Yoda and not 00s Yoda. It was probably the redeeming quality of the movie.

I think the light speed suicide mission was visually amazeballs, but come on. You can't just do that. Otherwise why didn't the rebels just set a computer course on auto pilot on some rust bucket ship directly for Darth Vaders bridge? Or the death star(s)? Or any battle scene? They could easily have designed drone craft with this single purpose. Dumb and lazy and cheapens the movie to suicide light speed destroy the enemy.

They did an injustice to Luke's character. You may not like it, but episodes 1 to 9 are about the Skywalkers. Luke should have died in episode 9 in the most epic way in cinema history. I'm sad and disappointed. Adding to my disappointment was some ####ing dooshnozzle on my FB spoiled that Luke dies, so I kept trying to guess at what point he'll die. It took away from my experience and I will slap that ####ing idiot when I see him.

The storyline wasn't compelling and as someone mentioned in this thread, there are myriad of good ideas you can run with in a rebels vs establishment story. I think it was Cecil terwilliger. Like really, we're going with space chase and we ran out of gas?

A minor quibble, but Poe is a Warrior-God. He's literally the hero of every battle he's been in and has probably done more for the alliance/resistance than all Jedi combined lol. Is there anything he can't do? He should be as decorated as those north Korean officers who are literally covered in medals haha.

Anyway, overall I'm thinking I don't like it. Some good stuff in there for sure, but lots of major misses that could have easily been turned into huge wins for fans, Disney's pocketbook, and the star wars epic saga.

[belsarius]

I look at the kamikaze light speed maneuver as only possible due to the circumstances.

All firepower was aiming and focused on the transports, they even made sure to have Hux purposefully say ignore the cruiser. If they had fired on the cruiser there was no way it could have gotten into position to ram the fleet in time before it was destroyed.

The same goes for the smaller ships. They were running just at the end of range, had they tried to slow in order to turn and aim at the fleet then engage hyperdrive again they would have been destroyed.

Why it hasn't been used in the past is a bit of a mystery.

[Byrns]

Originally Posted by shogged

Saw it for the second time tonight. Going into it and not liking it gave me a Chance to try and appreciate it from a different perspective. It’s not a bad movie, but it’s definitely disappointing. I don’t hate what they did, I hate what they didn’t do. I feel like it was just a huge wasted opportunity.

Same for me with my 2nd viewing and this also happened to me after my 2nd viewing of Force Awakens too.

However, Rogue One is still my favorite from the new ones. I just can't get into the "new" universe and villains as much much as the original empire.

[belsarius]

Originally Posted by CroFlames

I just saw it. My feelings are confused so I'll wait till captain crunch tells me how I should feel.

I'll share a couple quick thoughts though, but I need to see it again before I make a final judgment.

Yoda scene was awesome, and it was done right by doing 70s Yoda and not 00s Yoda. It was probably the redeeming quality of the movie.

I think the light speed suicide mission was visually amazeballs, but come on. You can't just do that. Otherwise why didn't the rebels just set a computer course on auto pilot on some rust bucket ship directly for Darth Vaders bridge? Or the death star(s)? Or any battle scene? They could easily have designed drone craft with this single purpose. Dumb and lazy and cheapens the movie to suicide light speed destroy the enemy.

They did an injustice to Luke's character. You may not like it, but episodes 1 to 9 are about the Skywalkers. Luke should have died in episode 9 in the most epic way in cinema history. I'm sad and disappointed. Adding to my disappointment was some ####ing dooshnozzle on my FB spoiled that Luke dies, so I kept trying to guess at what point he'll die. It took away from my experience and I will slap that ####ing idiot when I see him.

The storyline wasn't compelling and as someone mentioned in this thread, there are myriad of good ideas you can run with in a rebels vs establishment story. I think it was Cecil terwilliger. Like really, we're going with space chase and we ran out of gas?

A minor quibble, but Poe is a Warrior-God. He's literally the hero of every battle he's been in and has probably done more for the alliance/resistance than all Jedi combined lol. Is there anything he can't do? He should be as decorated as those north Korean officers who are literally covered in medals haha.

Anyway, overall I'm thinking I don't like it. Some good stuff in there for sure, but lots of major misses that could have easily been turned into huge wins for fans, Disney's pocketbook, and the star wars epic saga.

I don't mind how Luke died, I thought there was a quiet dignity to it and a nice demonstration of the his renewed connection to the force. But I did mind the timing of Luke's death. Rian just dumped out the bathwater of a storyline on book 8 of 9. Maybe there were more Leia plans for episode 9 to continue the Skywalker story, but even with Kylo, he is secondary to Rey. That's what I disliked the most, it doesn't fit in the Skywalker saga as an 8th movie.

[Inglewood Jack]

Originally Posted by Bigtime

Was watching some "Spacedock" on Youtube, giving a quick rundown on some of the new Resistance ships. Perhaps a reason why the Raddus was used in the end for the suicide mission was because of its size. It was 3km long apparently, whereas the new First Order Star Destroyers are about 2km for perspective. The medical frigate was a new (in Universe) Nebulon C class (we have seen Nebulon B's in the OT, the medical frigate at the end of ESB) and was not very large or heavy, and same goes for the final ship we saw destroyed. Some sort of Correllian model that is apparently referred to as a "glass cannon", lots of weaponry but very light in construction.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HKWrKPEhu1k

I wish there was even more capital ship porn shots for the enthusiasts out there. Snoke's Mega Dreadnaught class Supremacy is 13km long and 60 (!!)km wide. it's a B-2 bomber that took all the steroids in the galaxy and ended up closer in scale to the Death Star than an actual ship.

the takeaway from this is that you just have to assume the First Order's resources are completely unlimited for whatever reason. they lost Starkiller base, a weapon literally hundreds of times the volume of the Death Star, and Snoke did not gaf. he was like eh, pick up what's left of Kylo and we'll have the Resistance down to 3 ships by the start of next movie. so even if the good guys wanted to start spending resources on hyperspace rams, the First Order would be able to pump more ships out than they'll ever have bullets for.

[blankall]

I wish they'd spent more time on Rae's inner conflict. I never really got the sense she was considering joining the dark side. They could have leveraged her need for family to such a greater extent. Rae's journey should have been the focus of the movie really.

[OutOfTheCube]

It is kind of vindicating that Star Wars sent out a legendary main character in a kind-of-lame way. Now you know how us Trek fans feel...

[Cecil Terwilliger]

I don't know if I'd call snoke legendary or a main character....

[rayne008]

If only the lead First Order ship was capable of tracking ships through light speed, why didn't the 3 remaining ships just take off in 3 different directions?

[Cecil Terwilliger]

Originally Posted by rayne008

If only the lead First Order ship was capable of tracking ships through light speed, why didn't the 3 remaining ships just take off in 3 different directions?

Because the first order would still know where they went and could just send their ships to those 3 different locations?

It was that only 1 FO ship was tracking all of them them. Not that only 1 rebel ship could be tracked.

[SuperMatt18]

It's pretty clear that while Luke may be dead he is not gone.

Based on the "see you around kid", and since his death was clearly him becoming one with the force, he probably plays a pretty big role in Episode 9.

IMO Luke in Episode 8 = Obi Wan in Episode 4.

[edslunch]

Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

Because the first order would still know where they went and could just send their ships to those 3 different locations?

It was that only 1 FO ship was tracking all of them them. Not that only 1 rebel ship could be tracked.

If they can track ships in multiple directions across hyperspace then doesn’t that spell the end of the rebel fleet? They can run but they can’t hide. That is way more disturbing to the overall plot line than the hyperspace kamikaze thing.

[Inglewood Jack]

Originally Posted by Bigtime

I was thinking about this part, did the TIE's attack the bridge after the order was given to flee from the FO fleet and you hear Ackbar or someone call for full shields to the back? If so that could explain why the bridge was crazy vulnerable. Just like back in the day playing X-Wing or Tie Fighter and managing your shields, putting full rear (and leaving the front completely open) when going away from something with lots of firepower.

oh and the reason I didn't mind the space bombs was because they reminded me of the ones you could equip your TIE bomber with...remember how they didn't have their own propulsion so you would have to go full throttle and then just release these stupid invisible spheres and pray they don't get caught in the crossfire? and it turns out their weight/power ratio made them less useful than the much faster heavy rockets anyways? that's why I was yelling silently in my mind at the screen "switch to heavy rockets dammit! has anyone invented the advanced proton torpedoes yet??"

[Cecil Terwilliger]

Definitely a valid question as to whether or not this new Empire tech is here to stay. Does this mean they can track any ship at any time? And multiple ships at that?

But the writers have some easy outs. They can say that it only works once they pick up the hyperspace signature meaning they'd have to be there when the rebel ships jumps to hyperspace. Or they could say the tech was destroyed on Snoke's ship (although they seemed to indicate it could be moved to another ship when they concocted their heist plan).

Or perhaps the 3rd movie will revolve around them needing to destroy this tech. Although I think it is less of a specific technology and more of a technique meaning that now that the empire has the formula, they've got it forever.

I think it just raises the stakes for the rebels to stay on the run.

[Bigtime]

Originally Posted by Inglewood Jack

oh and the reason I didn't mind the space bombs was because they reminded me of the ones you could equip your TIE bomber with...remember how they didn't have their own propulsion so you would have to go full throttle and then just release these stupid invisible spheres and pray they don't get caught in the crossfire? and it turns out their weight/power ratio made them less useful than the much faster heavy rockets anyways? that's why I was yelling silently in my mind at the screen "switch to heavy rockets dammit! has anyone invented the advanced proton torpedoes yet??"

Are the X-Wing/TIE Fighter games considered canon or did they get relegated to Legends?

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Resurrection

To add to what I saying before, I remember when Snoke died and Rey/Ren were fighting alongside each other I was like, almost ready to ask out loud at the theatre "WHOS THE BAD GUY NOW FFS!?". I was thinking, oh, maybe Luke comes back and is a total dick now and that's it.

Then after the fight ended it was kind of like when your done fapping or screwing and reality comes back in. "oh #### what just happened". The tension was there right away and I realized 'yup it still Ren whos the baddy'. Then a moment later I thought "oh man.. now he's the big cheese for bad guy inc.? damn it!"

The Throne Scene put the universe in such a great spot. Rey and Ren together?! Possibly against a malcontented Luke Skywalker?

THAT would have been unexpected. THAT would have been absolutely AWESOME.

...instead they used Snoke's death, and general existence, for nothing. Ren took over from a total chump, and Rey towed the line she started on in the first movie.

Originally Posted by Bigtime

Are the X-Wing/TIE Fighter games considered canon or did they get relegated to Legends?

From my understanding, they're "Legends" content now.

[CroFlames]

Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

Definitely a valid question as to whether or not this new Empire tech is here to stay. Does this mean they can track any ship at any time? And multiple ships at that?

But the writers have some easy outs. They can say that it only works once they pick up the hyperspace signature meaning they'd have to be there when the rebel ships jumps to hyperspace. Or they could say the tech was destroyed on Snoke's ship (although they seemed to indicate it could be moved to another ship when they concocted their heist plan).

Or perhaps the 3rd movie will revolve around them needing to destroy this tech. Although I think it is less of a specific technology and more of a technique meaning that now that the empire has the formula, they've got it forever.

I think it just raises the stakes for the rebels to stay on the run.

If in the last installment of the Skywalker saga, the climax ends up them disabling hyperspace tracking tech, well then I just don't know what to say.

You take pure gold in Lucas' characters and turn it into dog poop. They don't owe me anything, but I would be beyond pissed.

[Cecil Terwilliger]

Originally Posted by CroFlames

If in the last installment of the Skywalker saga, the climax ends up them disabling hyperspace tracking tech, well then I just don't know what to say.

You take pure gold in Lucas' characters and turn it into dog poop. They don't owe me anything, but I would be beyond pissed.

Why would you assume it is the climax? Pretty sure that's gonna be a Rey/Kylo showdown.

[CroFlames]

Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

Why would you assume it is the climax? Pretty sure that's gonna be a Rey/Kylo showdown.

I'm not assuming it'll happen.

You said maybe the next movie will revolve around that plot.

I'm saying I would be pissed If that were the plot of the next and final installment of the Skywalker story.