The Last Jedi Spoiler thread

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by OutOfTheCube

You guys know the CinemaScore is a joke, right? Definitively garbage movies like Daddy's Home 2 (A-) and The Emoji Movie (B) have good or decent CinemaScores. Most people aren't going to flat out say they disliked a movie when someone is polling them as they leave.

I think you need to just come to terms that Daddy's Home 2 was scientifically proven to be a cinematic masterpiece and anyone who doesn't like it is objectively wrong. Although they don't exist in the first place. I liked Daddy's Home 2 way better than Star Wars ha

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

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Snoke comes back. Reveals that he has transcended Sith or Jedi, able to bring himself back from the dead, and now has a bone to pick with Rey & Kylo. Those two have to work together to defeat this bigger/badder enemy - which leads to the true balance of the force - it's not about one side winning but it's about the darkness and light working together to defeat a greater evil.

I sort of believe this as a possibility. But then I'm afraid it takes too much away from this movie, especially if we still do find out that Rey is someone as predicted before.

"Surprise, Snoke wasn't the big bad of the trilogy." "Surprise again, he was."
"Surprise, Rey wasn't anyone." "Surprise again, she is."

The idea of Rey and Kylo having to fight together to stop Snoke was pretty much hypothesized since we saw them first on screen. Trying to subvert that trope in one movie only to have it happened in the next, eh. I don't know how well that would work.

[Strange Brew]

For those arguing about whether other people liked the movie, you should watch the box office. Force Awakens had a 3.8x multiplier, Rogue One had a 3.4x multiplier. I have a hunch this multiplier will be closer to 3. Of course there are many reasons behind that.

Another tell will be the opening for the next movie in the trilogy. I would expect it to be down quite a bit compared to this one. Many reasons for that, but for me its because there's not much built in tension carrying over from this one.

It was a lot of fun though.

[Cecil Terwilliger]

Originally Posted by OutOfTheCube

You guys know the CinemaScore is a joke, right? Definitively garbage movies like Daddy's Home 2 (A-) and The Emoji Movie (B) have good or decent CinemaScores. Most people aren't going to flat out say they disliked a movie when someone is polling them as they leave.

Metascore and Rotten Tomatoes work differently, and aren't perfect, but give a better representation of if you liked it or not. You basically have the flood of people voting either a '0' if they didn't like it or a '10' if they did (even though the movie was clearly neither a '0' or a '10) and the score gets pushed one way or the other. With it sitting around 50% on both sites, and just based on comments you see everywhere, it's pretty clear the popular opinion is 50/50.

You have it completely backwards. RT and Meta can easily just be jihaded into oblivion.

At least CinemaScore is real.

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

See this was my biggest complaint too - I was able to get past it and still enjoy the movie but this one was a bigger issue to me personally than Rey having no parents (which I think is the right call even though the reveal felt a little flat).

What I do wonder though is if there is more to come from Snoke. Say he was in fact a reincarnated Plagius or Sidious - canon does include the fact that the Sith lord had learned how to create life - then you can't reveal that prior to killing him off. (Plus it's also in Canon that cutting a Sith Lord in half doesn't kill them - Vader & Maul)

I think it's very unlikely but if you did want a twist in 9 (really this is the only thing that stands out at this point with the way 8 ended) then this is probably the way to do it.

Snoke comes back. Reveals that he has transcended Sith or Jedi, able to bring himself back from the dead, and now has a bone to pick with Rey & Kylo. Those two have to work together to defeat this bigger/badder enemy - which leads to the true balance of the force - it's not about one side winning but it's about the darkness and light working together to defeat a greater evil.

Would also kind of tie back to what was never really elaborated on between Finn & Benicio Del Toro characters. About how it's not as clear as resistance vs. Empire with one side being clearly bad. There is more to it than that. Some of what Luke was saying also hinted at in this movie.

I would like to believe this is the direction is going, but when they zoomed in on Snoke's lifeless body with his tongue sticking out, it really seemed to me like they wanted to make out that he was a joke. I don't think we get anymore Snoke in Episode 9.

Before that close-up, I thought we were going to see a Plagueis-esque force ghost or something (i.e., Plagueis stays alive by transferring from vessel to vessel) escape from his body, but we got nothing. This is the end of his story.

[nfotiu]

Originally Posted by OutOfTheCube

You guys know the CinemaScore is a joke, right? Definitively garbage movies like Daddy's Home 2 (A-) and The Emoji Movie (B) have good or decent CinemaScores. Most people aren't going to flat out say they disliked a movie when someone is polling them as they leave.

Metascore and Rotten Tomatoes work differently, and aren't perfect, but give a better representation of if you liked it or not. You basically have the flood of people voting either a '0' if they didn't like it or a '10' if they did (even though the movie was clearly neither a '0' or a '10) and the score gets pushed one way or the other. With it sitting around 50% on both sites, and just based on comments you see everywhere, it's pretty clear the popular opinion is 50/50.

You are seriously Arguing online polls are a legitimate survey? I should be able to convince you that Donald Trump has a 90% favorability rating and John Scott was a top NHL player.

Does it surprise you that 85% of people who paid money to watch Daddy's Home 2 thought it met their expectations?

[Cecil Terwilliger]

Originally Posted by nfotiu

You are seriously Arguing online polls are a legitimate survey? I should be able to convince you that Donald Trump has a 90% favorability rating and John Scott was a top NHL player.

Does it surprise you that 85% of people who paid money to watch Daddy's Home 2 thought it met their expectations?

Yeah CinemaScore has always skewed higher but it is actually somewhat legitimate.

The idea that anyone is taking the RT or Meta scores as anything but an elaborate troll job given the info available is mind boggling.

[Jbo]

On the matter of Snoak, maybe he is not even dead, didn’t Darth Maul get cut in half and survive?

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by Jbo

On the matter of Snoak, maybe he is not even dead, didn’t Darth Maul get cut in half and survive?

Yes, but in the movies his fate is unimportant and he's not seen from again.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Guys, you don't have to go further than this thread to realize that this movie was divisive. There's certain posters who clearly hate it. Some loved it, others thought it was overall enjoyable, some thought it was just okay, some thought it was a bore and some hated it. This, I would argue, is typical of the audience reaction It's probably about equal parts each, give or take, but this all came about because someone suggested that the fans did not have the same consensus as the critics. The critics had scored this as one of the best movies of all time, at least to start, and the fans have had mixed reviews that isn't some 4chan troll job. People brought up RT audience score because that's what was asked, not to support their argument - because really you don't need to look any further than this thread to see that not everyone loved it. Instead we have people literally yelling "fake news" at the possibility that a large number of fans didn't like the movie. Ha.

Originally Posted by Jbo

On the matter of Snoak, maybe he is not even dead, didn’t Darth Maul get cut in half and survive?

I would have liked to see Kylo, especially angry super dark Kylo, hack and slash Snoke just to make sure. Almost stupid he left it as a possibility and showed some control I think that took away from what the movie was trying to portray him as. Although I don't know how severe or slight getting cut in half is in this universe ha.

[Jbo]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

Yes, but in the movies his fate is unimportant and he's not seen from again.

But he did survive is all I’m saying

[Ashasx]

I mean, this movie is definitely not Batman versus Superman levels of bad. There's a clear story here, with some interesting characters, great music, good scenery. From that standpoint, it isn't a bad movie.

Just how it all comes together in the end, what things mean, dead-end stories, and where I see the franchise heading... that disappointment ultimately makes me hate it, even though I can clearly see it is not an objectively bad film.

[nfotiu]

Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

Guys, you don't have to go further than this thread to realize that this movie was divisive. There's certain posters who clearly hate it. This, I would argue, is typical of the audience reaction. Some loved it, others thought it was overall enjoyable, some thought it was a bore and some hated it. It's probably about equal parts each, give or take, bu this all came about because someone suggested that the fans did not have the same consensus as the critics. The critics had scored this as one of the best movies of all time, at least to start, and the fans have had mixed reviews that isn't some 4chan troll job.

I would have liked to see Kylo, especially angry super dark Kylo, hack and slash Snoke just to make sure. Almost stupid he left it as a possibility and showed some control I think. Although I don't know how severe or slight getting cut in half is in this universe ha.

I would believe that it is mostly divisive among the Star Wars nerds, while the general movie going public generally liked it. It's the first group that is manipulating the online scores.

[OutOfTheCube]

Listen guys — you’re arguing that, because of the CinemaScore (which is completely unreliable and proven to rate awful movies very highly), that it is a great movie and literally everything else is wrong or skewed or biased. Look anywhere — not just the big sites. Read this thread, we’re pretty split. I go to a couple other message boards and it’s the same. Everyone I saw it with in person didn’t feel good about it, and I’ve talked to a lot of people at work that we’re disappointed too. It’s a divisive movie.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by nfotiu

I would believe that it is mostly divisive among the Star Wars nerds, while the general movie going public generally liked it. It's the first group that is manipulating the online scores.

Don't like the same movie as me? Must be a nerd manipulating the outcome.

Fine, I can agree that Star War fans probably did dislike it more so than non-Star War fans. I think you underestimate the power of the force. amount of Star War fans.

[Cecil Terwilliger]

Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

Guys, you don't have to go further than this thread to realize that this movie was divisive. There's certain posters who clearly hate it. Some loved it, others thought it was overall enjoyable, some thought it was just okay, some thought it was a bore and some hated it. This, I would argue, is typical of the audience reaction It's probably about equal parts each, give or take, but this all came about because someone suggested that the fans did not have the same consensus as the critics. The critics had scored this as one of the best movies of all time, at least to start, and the fans have had mixed reviews that isn't some 4chan troll job. People brought up RT audience score because that's what was asked, not to support their argument - because really you don't need to look any further than this thread to see that not everyone loved it. Instead we have people literally yelling "fake news" at the possibility that a large number of fans didn't like the movie. Ha.

I would have liked to see Kylo, especially angry super dark Kylo, hack and slash Snoke just to make sure. Almost stupid he left it as a possibility and showed some control I think that took away from what the movie was trying to portray him as. Although I don't know how severe or slight getting cut in half is in this universe ha.

Maybe stop bringing up clearly fake sources to support your point. I could have told you it was going to be both loved and hated before it came out, that hasn't changed.

However you and a few others seem hellbent on incorrectly suggesting that it is basically a 50/50 split or worse and that simply isn't the case. The limited evidence we have available suggests that the fan reaction could be described as generally favorable.

It is so weird that this bothers people so much. Are you only gonna feel good about your opinion if you can somehow disprove others? How petty.

[Ashasx]

it's the Russian bots

[Cecil Terwilliger]

No one cares if CinemaScore rates bad movies highly. See this is what's weird about your obsession here. No one is saying it is amazing. Nor do you have anything to suggest that it is unreliable.

But to pretend that the general movie going public hated it is just plain wrong. At best you can say it is undetermined, except you guys aren't.

It is such a weird hill to die on.

"I factually know that tons of people hate this movie which is important because...it validates my opinion and shows I'm right which matters because...whoever has the majority gets to claim ownership to the truth?"

Anyways, maybe start a new thread where you can talk about the validity of fan reaction and this thread can stay about star wars.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

Maybe stop bringing up clearly fake sources to support your point. I could have told you it was going to be both loved and hated before it came out, that hasn't changed.

However you and a few others seem hellbent on incorrectly suggesting that it is basically a 50/50 split or worse and that simply isn't the case. The limited evidence we have available suggests that the fan reaction could be described as generally favorable.

Clearly fake sources? LMAO. It's the audience score, talking about audience. You have a Tweet saying the hacker known as 4chan tried to manipulate the score. Oh no! It doesn't support your view, so you've decided it's fake. Sounds like a certain demographic in the States ha.

You're the one who's hell bent on saying all people loved it and anything less is fake news. This is absurdity to me.

The original post was simply that the audience score and critics score did not match. The original critic score was absurdly high, like fighting with Citizen Kane high, you agree that's not the case...so you agree with us. Even if you don't like RT today.

[getbak]

Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

Don't like the same movie as me? Must be a nerd manipulating the outcome.

How about when nerds are literally saying they're manipulating the score?

[OutOfTheCube]

And you just had probably the longest post in this thread complaining about all the things that disappointed you and you didn’t like. So I’m not sure why you’d argue that there aren’t a lot of people that feel the same...

And yes, an ‘A’ is an amazing score. That’s literally the second highest score you can give something on that scale. So it’s either an ‘A’, or CinemaScore is wrong.