[Rumour] McKenzie: Flames among the teams most interested in Evander Kane

[Kybb79]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

What the hell? I'm in the ‘no’ camp because it doesn't make any sense to go all-in for this season at the expense of closing the team's window immediately. A loony move like trading Hamilton for Kane would do just that. I never said anything about Radulov at any time that I can recall.

Hamilton? That would be dumb but Brodie should get it done.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Kybb79

Hamilton? That would be dumb but Brodie should get it done.

I wouldn't trade Brodie for a rental either.

This team is going to have cap trouble over the next couple of years. Re-signing Kane (if it can be done at all) would certainly cost more than Brodie is making, and exacerbate the problem down the road.

The time for the Flames to start trading away top-4 defencemen is when their prospects prove they can take over those spots. Right now the team has about four good candidates to do that, but they are still only candidates. And the thing for the Flames to trade their defencemen for is equivalent cost-controlled assets, not a short-term rental of a middling player at the least valuable position.

Yes, I called Kane a middling player. Looking at his career, he is a second-line winger who happens to be having a career season in a contract year. There is no good reason to believe that he will be able to catch that lightning in a bottle again.

[the2bears]

Originally Posted by Tinordi

Probably was the exact same posters. "We don't need Radulov." "He'll be a locker room distraction." "He doesn't fit my arbitrary, completely untested self serving definition of a winning hockey player."

Meanwhile he steps into Montreal and immediately establishes as a highly effective top six player.

Yeah, probably

[Kybb79]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

I wouldn't trade Brodie for a rental either.

This team is going to have cap trouble over the next couple of years. Re-signing Kane (if it can be done at all) would certainly cost more than Brodie is making, and exacerbate the problem down the road.

The time for the Flames to start trading away top-4 defencemen is when their prospects prove they can take over those spots. Right now the team has about four good candidates to do that, but they are still only candidates. And the thing for the Flames to trade their defencemen for is equivalent cost-controlled assets, not a short-term rental of a middling player at the least valuable position.

Yes, I called Kane a middling player. Looking at his career, he is a second-line winger who happens to be having a career season in a contract year. There is no good reason to believe that he will be able to catch that lightning in a bottle again.

Kane is a sniper and he can finish better than anyone not named Johnny or Monahan. Imo Wotherspoon is having a solid season and so is Anderson. Im sure BT would only do a trade like that if he knew an extension would be in place. This team needs offense in the worst way and a physical player.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Kybb79

Kane is a sniper and he can finish better than anyone not named Johnny or Monahan.

Kane has never exceeded 30 goals in a season. I grant you that he is on pace to do so in Buffalo this year. I am skeptical that he would continue that on a different team where there is actual pressure to win. At present, he has nothing to play for besides running up his counting stats to make him a more attractive free agent.

Imo Wotherspoon is having a solid season and so is Anderson.

In the AHL. Neither of them has proven that he can play top-4 in the NHL. Wotherspoon hasn't proved that he is anything more than a tweener.

Im sure BT would only do a trade like that if he knew an extension would be in place.

At what price? If I'm Kane, I don't sign an extension with anyone. I let it ride until the end of the season and cash in on July 1 – unless somebody offers me a long-term deal at $6 million or more. This particular year, Kane is playing like a $6 million guy. He's never done that before and may never do it again.

The last thing I want is for this team to trade a key player in exchange for the next Gary Leeman.

[Kybb79]

If Kulak can do it so can Anderson or Wotherspoon for the bottom 6. Move Stone up or Kulak this defense is supposed to be the backbone of the team they have looked ordinary at best. Brodie turns the puck over too much is he really a top 4? Kane would help especially on the PP and he would most likely play on the top line. Im not sure where the Leeman comparison came from there is only 1 Leeman and Brodie is no Gilmour.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Kybb79

If Kulak can do it so can Anderson or Wotherspoon for the bottom 6.

We're talking about the top 4.

Move Stone up or Kulak this defense is supposed to be the backbone of the team they have looked ordinary at best.

Treliving went out and acquired Hamonic because he was not comfortable with having Stone as a regular #4 and nobody ready to move up in case of injury. Nothing has happened to change that assessment. Hamonic hasn't worked out as well as expected; which is all the more reason NOT to trade away a top-4 D.

(Hint: If defence is a weakness of this team after all, that might be a sign not to make it even weaker.)

Brodie turns the puck over too much is he really a top 4?

Brodie tops all Flames defencemen this year with 24:26 ATOI. No ####, he's top 4.

(Hint: Before you can turn over the puck, you have to get possession of the puck. Gaudreau is second on the team in giveaways, one behind Brodie. Does that mean he's not a top-6 forward?)

Kane would help especially on the PP and he would most likely play on the top line.

Micheal Ferland this season: 12 goals (1.48 G/60 min), $1.7m until 2019.
Evander Kane this season: 14 goals (1.31 G/60 min), $5.25m expiring this year.

Kane gets more production than Ferland largely because he gets a lot more ice time – almost 20 minutes per game. (Want to compare total points per 60 minutes? Kane 2.63, Ferland 2.35.) Is he going to get that much ice time on the Flames?

(Hint: Not even Johnny Gaudreau does.)

Im not sure where the Leeman comparison came from there is only 1 Leeman.

Doug Risebrough traded for Gary Leeman because Leeman once scored 50 goals in a season and Risebrough was dumb enough to think he could do it again. I believe it would be equally dumb to expect Kane ever to repeat the season he is having this year, and outside of this year he's basically a second-line scoring winger. I don't see him as a sufficient upgrade to be worth a top-4 D in return.

[Kybb79]

Brodie had one good season in 2014 when he played with Gio. When Gio got injured he stepped up his game but since he has not played like that. Im not into the numbers game i go off of what i see in the game. Ferly is playing good on the first line but how good would Kane look he has more talent. I remember the Leeman trade well i agree that was a dumb trade but this Kane trade is not that.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Tinordi

Probably was the exact same posters. "We don't need Radulov." "He'll be a locker room distraction." "He doesn't fit my arbitrary, completely untested self serving definition of a winning hockey player."

Meanwhile he steps into Montreal and immediately establishes as a highly effective top six player.

Yeah, he's really helping them win.

There was never a debate about whether Radulov was talented. He is supremely talented.

But the issue of whether he was a good signing and can help them win, is far from determined

[Enoch Root]

I think Kane, specifically his skill-set, is exactly what the FLames lack.

My concern, along with the bad dressing room issues, is that he is lazy and inconsistent. He is having a great year in this, his - wait for it - contract year (where have er seen that before?).

The question is: even if the Flames could extend him, what will he be once he has the big contract in his pocket? I think Kane is going to result in some GIANT buyer's remorse for some unlucky team next year. I don't want it to be the Flames (though I would love to have this year's Kane on this year's Flames, if there was a way to get him cheap, which there won't be).

[kukkudo]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Yeah, he's really helping them win.

There was never a debate about whether Radulov was talented. He is supremely talented.

But the issue of whether he was a good signing and can help them win, is far from determined

Dallas is doing pretty decent and he does have 27 points in 33 games with them. Radulov is the type of player that the Flames are missing.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by kukkudo

Dallas is doing pretty decent and he does have 27 points in 33 games with them. Radulov is the type of player that the Flames are missing.

Again, we'll see what he brings in April.

The Flames are butter soft already. Radulov is not at all what they need.

[Classic_Sniper]

I’m very weary of spending the assets required to land a trade for Kane. For the obvious off ice issues, but also that he’s been playing on so many bad teams over his career that he’s probably developed bad habits that will be tough to weed out in the small period of time that we’d have him.

The fact that he’s in a contract year won’t help as he’ll probably be prone to cheat for offense or save energy by playing less defense. Doing the right things and playing the right way to help a team win often comes with a sacrifice on offense and I’m not sure Kane is who we should be targeting. Too many red flags for my liking.

[oldschoolcalgary]

not sure how Radulov applies here?

he was signed to a 1year deal as a UFA. MTL gave up zero assets to pick him up.

If Kane wanted to sign a 1 year at 6 million to sign with Calgary as a UFA, I doubt anyone would have an issue with rolled that set of dice.

Giving up a ton of assests for a rental, who in the past had character issues? that's a much different story.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by oldschoolcalgary

not sure how Radulov applies here?

he was signed to a 1year deal as a UFA. MTL gave up zero assets to pick him up.

If Kane wanted to sign a 1 year at 6 million to sign with Calgary as a UFA, I doubt anyone would have an issue with rolled that set of dice.

Giving up a ton of assests for a rental, who in the past had character issues? that's a much different story.

He was brought up as an example of a player many didn't want because of prior attitude and personality concerns, which could have led to him being a distraction on and off the ice.

IE a cancer

A big reason why many Flames fans in here are saying they wouldn't want Kane.

[Tinordi]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Again, we'll see what he brings in April.

The Flames are butter soft already. Radulov is not at all what they need.

"He doesn't fit my arbitrary, completely untested self serving definition of a winning hockey player."

[Ashasx]

ironic

[oldschoolcalgary]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

He was brought up as an example of a player many didn't want because of prior attitude and personality concerns, which could have led to him being a distraction on and off the ice.

IE a cancer

A big reason why many Flames fans in here are saying they wouldn't want Kane.

a big reason, but not the only reason. Add to that:

1) he's a rental
2) Buffalo is going to ask for min a roster player, a top prospect and a 1st or 2nd round pick.

add that together and its a non starter for me.

give up zero assets for a 1 year tryout? i'd have no problem signing kane if it cost us nothing.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by oldschoolcalgary

a big reason, but not the only reason. Add to that:

1) he's a rental
2) Buffalo is going to ask for min a roster player, a top prospect and a 1st or 2nd round pick.

add that together and its a non starter for me.

give up zero assets for a 1 year tryout? i'd have no problem signing kane if it cost us nothing.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Was just answering your question.

[djsFlames]

Originally Posted by Kybb79

Brodie had one good season in 2014 when he played with Gio. When Gio got injured he stepped up his game but since he has not played like that. Im not into the numbers game i go off of what i see in the game. Ferly is playing good on the first line but how good would Kane look he has more talent. I remember the Leeman trade well i agree that was a dumb trade but this Kane trade is not that.

Brodie most certainly had more than one good season.
He's had probably 4 good seasons and 2 of those upper echelon to elite ones.

Memories of goldfish here sometimes..

The last 1.5 seasons have been underwhelming, that's it. And you wonder whether it's distractions or between the ears issues that have caused complacency and the inconsistency because flashes are there, but it's come down to that from solid extended stretches of past seasons.