Video of UCLA Police

[Vulcan]

Nothing seems to surprise me when it comes to LA cops.
There has been a few taser deaths in the Lower Mainland. Here's one,


http://origin.www.cbc.ca/canada/brit...er-sundhu.html

[Phaneuf3]

you mess with the bull you get the horns. why didn't he decide to comply with campus rules and the univeristy employees and eventually police that were called to the scene? who knows.

long story short, he got what he deserved but now some cops are going to lose their jobs and this little prick is gonna get pretty damn rich.

[HelloHockeyFans]

I have no issue with tasers IF used properly and within reason.

Even in that video... since you can't see the beginnings of the conflict, I reserve judgement on whether or not the very first taser was warranted, but it's the subsequent tasers which bother me.

If the student was being an ass and was just overall difficult to deal with and being non-compliant, then fine, tase him ONCE. There was more than one officer there... after the initial tase, get in there, use your training and cuff the kid.

I think the tases after the very initial one is where these cops are going to get screwed as IMO, that's the point where they'll be viewed as having crossed the line.

[Phaneuf3]

they should have just shot him and be done with this mess. lets try to see you sue now, punk!

[Igottago]

Originally Posted by Phaneuf3

you mess with the bull you get the horns. why didn't he decide to comply with campus rules and the univeristy employees and eventually police that were called to the scene? who knows.

long story short, he got what he deserved but now some cops are going to lose their jobs and this little prick is gonna get pretty damn rich.

He got what he deserved? For what? What crime did he commit? NOt pulling out an ID? So it was fair to use a taser on him numerous times, while handcuffed? These "cops" deserve to lose their jobs for how they handled that. That was completely excessive force. God forbid you or one of your family members should ever have to experience something like that. That might be the only way you'd understand.

[Igottago]

Originally Posted by Phaneuf3

they should have just shot him and be done with this mess. lets try to see you sue now, punk!

Yeah that would be awesome..one less Iranian we'd have to worry about.

[Shawnski]

Originally Posted by Phaneuf3

you mess with the bull you get the horns. why didn't he decide to comply with campus rules and the univeristy employees and eventually police that were called to the scene? who knows.

long story short, he got what he deserved but now some cops are going to lose their jobs and this little prick is gonna get pretty damn rich.

In my CP lifetime, I have seen an enormous amount of silly/stupid/uneducated/biased/ignorant/######ed posts.

THIS one takes the cake. Hands down.

Walk that day in his shoes son and tell me you would not have done things differently. He was passive and then clearly handcuffed yet STILL got tazered several more times. If you have someone restrained as these security people did, then the battle is over. Everything else with the tazer could be considered assault with a deadly weapon.

My blood boils at crap like that, let alone your clearly misguided post. I wish I was there to help the guy. Excessive is an understatement.

[Sparks]

Well, that was absolutely disgusting. Under what circumstances could the cops' actions possibly be justified? Would anyone who is defending the cops care to share?

Let's see. Even the worst case scenario - that he had a weapon and posed a threat - it still shouldn't have required anything more than tasering him once. I'm sure he'll be easy to subdue immediately afterwards, and would undoubtedly drop the weapon. Put some cuffs on him. Drag him out if that's what it takes. There ya go. Not hard.

Tasers, I assume, are an alternative to shooting someone in a dangerous situation. Tasers are not for zapping someone who is lying on the ground, posing absolutely zero threat. It seems as though these cops thought it was their job to punish this guy for refusing to cooperate (in a very minor way - assuming he even could). There is a reason to have a legal system. Why don't you charge him instead? I guess that isn't as fun for powertripping sadists.

I don't care what the kid was doing beforehand. The cops' behaviour seems impossible to justify.

As for the people standing around - unfortunately, crowds are a funny thing. As much as we think we might have acted differently, odds are we wouldn't have. Oh, and there's the fact that the cops were threatening people who were defending him ("Do you want to get tased too?", etc). You know, 'cause that's another thing you can use tasers for! They're fun!

[Devils'Advocate]

The student police were probably just trying to get the experience required to be in the LAPD.

[Temporary_User]

Definately fired for sure. There was already a large crowd over by the scence at the time the camera got over there. I believe this is before any taser was used. People were asking for the "police's" information immediately after a taser was used. The cops were yelling "stand up" while in the process of using the taser. Maybe not enough training on what a taser is used for?
I can't believe that these "cops" even have tasers. Although I guess if they had pepper spray or some other restraining device this student would probably be blind right now.
I don't know if this is racial profiling or not, I don't know if we'll ever know that.
IMHO these officers were given too much power and it is a shame that they'll get to hide behind the University in this lawsuit. I believe that more should happen to them then just losing their jobs. Can more happen to them? I dont believe that losing a college cop job would be that big of a deal to anyone, isnt that in the same class as working at Mcdonalds?

[ericschand]

"People were asking for the "police's" information immediately after a taser was used."

And these people were threatened too. With arrest and/or having the
taser used on them. If I'm not mistaken, pretty much everywhere you
go, if you ask a police officer for their ID (ie. badge number) they *must*
give it. There is no choice in the matter for them. If they don't, it is
akin to "impersonating a police officer."

" I don't know if this is racial profiling or not, I don't know if we'll ever know
that."

According to the students lawyer, in the Olbermann interview above,
the student asked that other "white" students also be asked for id,
so that he could be happy that this was not racial profiling. He then
packed up, and was actually leaving when the police showed up.
He then went limp as a form of protest when they grabbed him.

Also, he was taken to the police station, then released. Wouldn't you
think that someone that needed to be tasered *five* times would be
held for a bit??

ers

[HelloHockeyFans]

Originally Posted by ericschand

"People were asking for the "police's" information immediately after a taser was used."

And these people were threatened too. With arrest and/or having the
taser used on them. If I'm not mistaken, pretty much everywhere you
go, if you ask a police officer for their ID (ie. badge number) they *must*
give it. There is no choice in the matter for them. If they don't, it is
akin to "impersonating a police officer."

" I don't know if this is racial profiling or not, I don't know if we'll ever know
that."

According to the students lawyer, in the Olbermann interview above,
the student asked that other "white" students also be asked for id,
so that he could be happy that this was not racial profiling. He then
packed up, and was actually leaving when the police showed up.
He then went limp as a form of protest when they grabbed him.

Also, he was taken to the police station, then released. Wouldn't you
think that someone that needed to be tasered *five* times would be
held for a bit??

ers

Hmm... I think you are right that the officer must comply and give you his/her information if requested, but I think the students who did so while the cops were working weren't too smart about it. The best way to go about it would be to ask them when they're finished, because I think officers can also arrest and charge you for preventing them from doing their job.

[Igottago]

Originally Posted by HelloHockeyFans

Hmm... I think you are right that the officer must comply and give you his/her information if requested, but I think the students who did so while the cops were working weren't too smart about it. The best way to go about it would be to ask them when they're finished, because I think officers can also arrest and charge you for preventing them from doing their job.

The only good thing about that video is that you can hear the outrage of the students that are standing by and witnessing this horrific act. They couldn't do much, but at least they gave the cops an earful, and i'm sure many will launch a complaint and give their side of what happened.

[Josh]

7. The kid deserved it... he was taunting them.

This is the arguement I choose. Once he started blabbering about the patriot act, I would've tazed him too just for being a dumbass.

[Igottago]

Originally Posted by Josh

7. The kid deserved it... he was taunting them.

This is the arguement I choose. Once he started blabbering about the patriot act, I would've tazed him too just for being a dumbass.

Okay..so this is your argument, and he's the dumbass?????

[moon]

Originally Posted by Igottago

He got what he deserved? For what? What crime did he commit? NOt pulling out an ID? So it was fair to use a taser on him numerous times, while handcuffed? These "cops" deserve to lose their jobs for how they handled that. That was completely excessive force. God forbid you or one of your family members should ever have to experience something like that. That might be the only way you'd understand.

Yes he got what he deserved.

All he had to do was show them some ID, instead he acted like a jackass trying to prove a point. Well I hope it was worth it moron.

If my family memebers were stupid enough to acted like jerks when asked for ID I will come over and taser them myself.

I am not a huge supporter of the police and certainly think they go overboard plenty of times but if this jackass would have shown them the ID instead of trying to make a point than the cops wouldn't have needed to use the force they did.

[Agamemnon]

Originally Posted by moon

I am not a huge supporter of the police and certainly think they go overboard plenty of times but if this jackass would have shown them the ID instead of trying to make a point than the cops wouldn't have needed to use the force they did.

This is one of those times. Even if one believes he should have been tazed for not showing ID, I'm not sure why one would believe he should have been tazed 5 times for it. Excessive force isn't always justified for minor offences (ideally its almost never justified for minor offences).

[Igottago]

Originally Posted by moon

Yes he got what he deserved.

All he had to do was show them some ID, instead he acted like a jackass trying to prove a point. Well I hope it was worth it moron.

If my family memebers were stupid enough to acted like jerks when asked for ID I will come over and taser them myself.

I am not a huge supporter of the police and certainly think they go overboard plenty of times but if this jackass would have shown them the ID instead of trying to make a point than the cops wouldn't have needed to use the force they did.

So they needed to repeatedly taser him while handcuffed? Good to see many here support police brutality.

[Crazy Flamer]

Originally Posted by Phaneuf3

they should have just shot him and be done with this mess. lets try to see you sue now, punk!

Oh pleaase, keep your uneducated and arrogant responses to yourself. Atleast add something useful to the discussion.

[Winsor_Pilates]

Originally Posted by Josh

7. The kid deserved it... he was taunting them.

This is the arguement I choose. Once he started blabbering about the patriot act, I would've tazed him too just for being a dumbass.

If that's all it takes to be tazered, this comment should get you tazered 10 times.