The Last Jedi Spoiler thread

[N-E-B]

Originally Posted by direwolf

Lol, that scene was so bizarre it took me out of the movie for a few seconds. My friend leaned over to me in the theatre and said "what the f*** was that?"

It made him seem like a deranged homeless man as opposed to a wise old hermit. It felt really out of place.

[SuperMatt18]

https://filmcrithulk.blog/2017/12/15...-of-star-wars/

Thought this was an interesting take, and explains why the views on the movie are so divisive.

If you want Star Wars to be about the lore, and believe it should always focus on the “Skywalker” family, then you’re probably not going to like the direction this movie takes to re-focus the series away from that.

[bc-chris]

Originally Posted by N-E-B

I think the part I liked the least was Luke milking the quadraboobed giraffe thing and drinking the green milk. That was all sorts of awkward to watch.

I just saw a comment on that on Reddit and it reminded me of that scene. I had forgotten it ever existed.

i guess when you've been drinking weird coloured milk your entire life it doesn't really matter!

[Nadal Fan]

The scene when the lady from Jurassic Park uses light speed to destroy the ships was so well done. The lack of music was a good decision, and then all you see is just the ship getting wrecked, brilliant.

Missed opportunity that the salt wasn't sand and then Kylo could have been all "I hate sand"

[Roughneck]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

https://filmcrithulk.blog/2017/12/15...-of-star-wars/

Thought this was an interesting take, and explains why the views on the movie are so divisive.

If you want Star Wars to be about the lore, and believe it should always focus on the “Skywalker” family, then you’re probably not going to like the direction this movie takes to re-focus the series away from that.

You can argue the one “dalliance” of the film is the action on what I’ll be too lazy to google and just call “Monte Carlo planet.” But it’s also the most thematically important because it’s where the entire Skywalker point made above comes into focus. No, not just in the clear criticism of high society and war profiteering, but deeper within the sights of nameless young children who are put under the thumb of the world. And who, within them so innately carry the understanding of the horrors of that world, and thus so tangibly know the simple, inescapable ways for it to be better. And so, within that simple, final speech about what really matters in this big old universe that we share, it’s not about Skywalkers or whose bloodline is most powerful or whose dad can beat up your dad… it’s about that equally simple, final image.
A young child cleaning a stable.
Who dreams of being more.
The force belongs to them, too.
And so it belongs to us.

It will definitely be unique to see a Star Wars movie about a downtrodden and imprisoned child (figuratively or literally) who dreams of something bigger and has the Force become a key part of their journey...

[Max Cow Disease]

Was there actually no lightsaber battle in this film? There were a couple of “almosts” and the saber-on-staff action in the throne room, but no proper light sword duel. Seems somewhat egregious for a Star Wars film.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

https://filmcrithulk.blog/2017/12/15...-of-star-wars/

Thought this was an interesting take, and explains why the views on the movie are so divisive.

If you want Star Wars to be about the lore, and believe it should always focus on the “Skywalker” family, then you’re probably not going to like the direction this movie takes to re-focus the series away from that.

WTF? No.

The movie is just bad. I would have preferred it if they'd set the new trilogy 100 years in the future, with all the original characters having died of old age. The parts with the Skywalkers are the worst parts. All of the original cast clearly wants nothing to do with the movie.

The best parts in the Last Jedi were the Kylo Ren parts. The Ray and Fin parts were good too.

The movie is just disjointed and full of gaping plot holes. There's no way around that.

I'm also curious as to why people keep praising Mark Hamill's performance. He has stated that he hates the performance and the story he was forced into.

The article you've referenced is also extremely difficult to read.

[wontondestruction]

I saw this posted somewhere else, but totally agree with it.

"This is not going to go the way you think...." - This movie in a nutshell....

[sureLoss]

I am fine with the way they handled Snoke.

If you watch the original trilogy, the Emperor was handled in a similar way. Very little was revealed about him and IIRC they never even called him by name (Palpatine or Darth Sidious). His back story came out in the expanded universe and prequels.

They will probably have supplemental material (novels, comics, animated shorts, etc) explaining Snoke's origins. Which given how badly some people want to know his story, might be a genius marketing ploy.

[SuperMatt18]

Personally I don’t think there are anymore plot holes or “critters” than have always been in Star Wars lore.

Poe destroys a ships guns by himself? A barely trained Luke who never flew a ship out maneuvers Vader and pretty much single handedly destroys a Death Star.

A Monte Carlo type casino with Aliens from all over? No different than the Cantina in the original trilogy.

Snoke has no backstory? Neither did the emperor who was defeated in an even sillier way when Vader threw him down a shaft.

Luke character ruined? He has always been whiney and didn’t really listen to Yoda or Obi Wan’s teachings/warnings.

Star Wars has always been about suspending belief and about the characters - this movie is no different. Personally I just feel like the criticism this one is getting is because it doesn’t match what people have been hoping it was going to be after TFA or what they hoped the classic characters would be like. All the new era characters are being praised, even for those that disliked the movie.

[chemgear]

Got around to the second viewing. Still the plot holes and yet still an enjoyable movie.

Seeing more details that I missed the second time around. Force projection Luke not disturbing the white salt, him being slimmer, faster, with no grey in his beard or hair. Assuming that Kylo doesn't register Luke's lightsaber breaking with the Rey tug of war only to see the force projection Luke with the saber just a little later.

Chewie is still a murderous sonofabitch though.

[Roughneck]

The Emperor didn't need much of an explanation because being the Emperor in such a universe is explanation enough. The powerful and evil Empire has a powerful and evil leader. It's a common trope. Kill the leader, and the evil Emperor/Queen/Witch/etc. and the good guys win, the darkness is lifted off the land (or galaxy), birds sing again, rainbows can be seen, children play and so on.

Then they added his backstory afterwards, how he was powerful enough to defeat all the Jedi, turn Anakin, followed the 'Rule of Two' where Vader would be his apprentice, and assumed he is unmatched in the galaxy up until his demise, all of a sudden a powerful dark Force user who leads an Empire-esque group is more than just a succession plan, but something that could probably use a few lines of exposition to clear up.

It's as much a TFA fault as it is in this one, but something that was left for this movie to deal with regardless, and decided to just discard it instead. Had this been the universe that was created 'Supreme Leader Snoke' would have benefited from the same assumptions as the Emperor got, and Kylo killing him to become more powerful would play just fine. Trouble is that this is an already established universe on an established timeline where you can't just ignore the rest.

Snoke doesn't need to be tied to the original storylines, doesn't need to be Mace Windu or whatever other theories are out there, but it would have helped to be something just to satisfy the questions. The perfect time to do it in this movie would have been on Finn/Rose's side trip with all the weapons dealers talk: 'Snoke was an influential person under the old Empire. His factories produced the weapons, his industrial network supplied the ore. I don't think anybody knew how powerful he was with the Force, not even the Emperor. So when the Empire fell, he still controlled what gave the Empire it's might, and created the First Order. Not everybody was happy when the Empire fell, Snoke offered a way to maintain the status quo for these people, keep the arms trade going, etc.'

Everything's answered, it's not perfect but good enough to accept that Snoke was able to get all this power as quickly as he did, but still be very dispensable. Plus it would give more meaning to the Finn/Rose sidetrack and open up the realization that it isn't just a simple 'cut off the head and the whole beast falls' kind of game which is what we were used to with the OT.


Mind you, this wasn't a make or break moment in the movie or this trilogy anyway. It's just sloppy, IMO, and a missed opportunity.

[blankall]

Smoke also displayed powers that were far greater than other force users we've seen. He could effortlessly throw other force users across rooms, read minds, and create intergalactic Skype calls. His powers are very exaggerated versions of Vader's powers. That deserves an explanation.

[OutOfTheCube]

Originally Posted by chemgear

Seeing more details that I missed the second time around. Force projection Luke not disturbing the white salt, him being slimmer, faster, with no grey in his beard or hair. Assuming that Kylo doesn't register Luke's lightsaber breaking with the Rey tug of war only to see the force projection Luke with the saber just a little later.

Chewie is still a murderous sonofabitch though.

You didn't notice a major character showed up looking ten years younger, exactly like he did in earlier flashbacks?

[Ozy_Flame]

Loved the Ewok with Gigantism, and also Chewbacca!

[N-E-B]

Originally Posted by blankall

WTF? No.

The movie is just bad. I would have preferred it if they'd set the new trilogy 100 years in the future, with all the original characters having died of old age. The parts with the Skywalkers are the worst parts. All of the original cast clearly wants nothing to do with the movie.

The best parts in the Last Jedi were the Kylo Ren parts. The Ray and Fin parts were good too.

The movie is just disjointed and full of gaping plot holes. There's no way around that.

I'm also curious as to why people keep praising Mark Hamill's performance. He has stated that he hates the performance and the story he was forced into.

The article you've referenced is also extremely difficult to read.

Mark said he disagrees with the choices they made for Luke (which I agree with to an extent). I've never seen him say he thought it was a bad story or that he hated his performance. Link?

If the original cast wanted nothing to do with the movies they didn't have to reprise their roles. They don't need the money. I thought Mark Hamill did a great job, as did Carrie Fisher.

[Max Cow Disease]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

I am fine with the way they handled Snoke.

If you watch the original trilogy, the Emperor was handled in a similar way. Very little was revealed about him and IIRC they never even called him by name (Palpatine or Darth Sidious). His back story came out in the expanded universe and prequels.

They will probably have supplemental material (novels, comics, animated shorts, etc) explaining Snoke's origins. Which given how badly some people want to know his story, might be a genius marketing ploy.

Yes and no. If that's to be the case, then they didn't really handle Snoke in the same way. Palpatine's character was enriched by the prequel series and we were fortunate to be able to view the same actor partake in that portrayal even though it was a couple decades later. In the case of Snoke- the "prequel" trilogy already exists, it's called the Original Trilogy. There don't seem to be any films on the horizon that will make this guy any more significant to us than he already is. So in my mind it's somewhat unfortunate that instead of becoming a brooding villain that we fear, and against whom the resistance must rally in Episode IX, Snoke has instead become some afterthought that may or may not be elaborated on in ancillary lore. If anything he's maybe been treated more like Darth Maul in that way- an intriguing character who dies right away and gets expanded upon in a cartoon series.

I personally don't read the comics or novels, so it's disappointing to me that from the standpoint of the primary film series, we've seemingly seen the last of what could have been a significant figure in the SW universe.

[Keselke]

I really cant add anything more to what has been said here

What an absolute trash movie, worst of the entire saga. Its weird to associate emotions with a movie, but this actually angers me

[P-Rugby]

I have now seen the film twice... After my initial viewing I was left with a certain sense of disappointment. However after a second viewing,this was infact an awesome movie! I loved the AT-AT cameo on the salt planet. But more importantly I believe the cards are lining up nicely for Ben and Rey to end up together in the final movie thus bringing balance to the force. Only time will tell

[Parallex]

Just got back from seeing the movie... it was visually amazing. The story... uhg... to many jokes, the whole codebreaker plot was pointless, the mystery of Rey's parent was... that they were ####ty nobodies? No lightsaber duel?

Very disappointed.