[PGT] Flames lose 3-2 to San Jose

[dino7c]

I don't think he is saying play for the tie...just don't take unnecessary risks. It wasn't a great play however, goalie needs to make a save

[Tinordi]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

GG literally said he was playing for a tie (despite being the much better team in the 3rd). Obviously I'm being a little obtuse here for effect, but given what we know GG likes to see, I don't think I'm far off to say that GG wanted Gaudreau to get the puck deep.

Playing for the tie was exactly the right thing to do at that stage in the game. If Gaudreau gets the puck deep we very likely get at least a point. What the heck are you even arguing? GG is a dumb dumb face?

[VANFLAMESFAN]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

GG literally said he was playing for a tie (despite being the much better team in the 3rd). Obviously I'm being a little obtuse here for effect, but given what we know GG likes to see, I don't think I'm far off to say that GG wanted Gaudreau to get the puck deep.

Nothing wrong with playing safe when points are so valuable in my opinion.

The second they tied it, my only thought was "get at least one."

While they were the better team in the third, I didn't think they were dominating especially after the 2-2 goal. San Jose had some decent shifts after 2-2 goal.

[Toonage]

Pardon the football analogies mixed in:

Prevent defense with 2:30 to go? And they couldn't even hold the line when the Sharks took the puck from Gaudreau, and that occured in all of what, 10 seconds?

[IamNotKenKing]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

No, because if he gets it deep he's not the second last guy back - the Sharks have to go the full length of the ice. Or maybe the Flames retrieve the puck (some dump ins actually work). Turnovers at the blue line when moving forward are the worst.

Assuming JG had no great passing options, plan A would have been dump, get the puck, and set up for a chance. Plan B is dump, pressure and try to get a recovery when the Sharks try to break out. I don't think, with 3 minutes left, it was dump and just try and pin the puck for the rest of the game. What GG is saying is that you don't take unnecessary risks at that point, especially given your success in 3 on 3.

Agreed. And I believe it was Jermaine Franklin who specifically asked him about that play, so he has to answer. And Jankowski and Hathaway were deep.

And watching the presser, his analysis of the game was quite spot on, funnily enough...

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by dino7c

I don't think he is saying play for the tie...just don't take unnecessary risks. It wasn't a great play however, goalie needs to make a save

We needed to take that into overtime and get the points

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

GG is an idiot. He should be mentioning the refs not calling the hook on Gaudreau (even if it's not true) rather then to throw his star under the bus. Make the reporters think about that.

Should be:
Reporter: What did you think of Gaudreau's decision to circle back with the puck
GG: It was fine, he's trying to make a play and he was hooked, you all saw it
Reporter: I didn't see a hook
GG: That's why you are a reporter.

Yeah, because that does any good whatsoever.

He's right on what he said, Johnny made two mistakes, one was the comeback and one was sweeping the puck to the middle of the ice, he should know better after all this time in the NHL, you don't put the puck to the middle of the ice blindly, especially when your not supported.

A penalty doesn't get called, bleating to the media about it does nothing, except maybe ensure that you get less calls from the officials.

Every one complains about GG being this un-emotional robot, but in this case he called out Johnny for what was not a selfish play, but a stupid play.

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by Tinordi

Playing for the tie was exactly the right thing to do at that stage in the game. If Gaudreau gets the puck deep we very likely get at least a point. What the heck are you even arguing? GG is a dumb dumb face?

Yeah that's what I'm arguing Tinordi.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

GG literally said he was playing for a tie (despite being the much better team in the 3rd). Obviously I'm being a little obtuse here for effect, but given what we know GG likes to see, I don't think I'm far off to say that GG wanted Gaudreau to get the puck deep.

You can read what he said that way for sure, when he says "we needed to take that to OT" but it's pretty clear he meant that, when tied with two minutes left, you can't throw away the one point. It's more like "we at least needed to go to OT".

https://www.pressreader.com/canada/c...81509341537126

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by dino7c

I don't think he is saying play for the tie...just don't take unnecessary risks. It wasn't a great play however, goalie needs to make a save

That's exactly what he was saying and he was completely right.

And Johnny needs to know better especially in putting the puck blindly into the middle when he's completely surrounded.

And you're right, Smith needs to make that save,

[IamNotKenKing]

Originally Posted by Toonage

Pardon the football analogies mixed in:

Prevent defense with 2:30 to go? And they couldn't even hold the line when the Sharks took the puck from Gaudreau, and that occured in all of what, 10 seconds?

To continue your analogy: Not a prevent defence, but more run the ball, run the clock, and if you can bust one, great, but don’t throw into double coverage...

[kukkudo]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Yeah I feel for you man.

Watching your team out shoot and out chance the opponent is like watching paint dry.

If you're talking about last nights game it was pretty even. You can out shoot out chance all day but at the end of the day its about the W.

[Erick Estrada]

How is Gaudreau coughing up the puck any different than Ferland who got his pocket picked leading to the Sharks first goal?

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

You can read what he said that way for sure, when he says "we needed to take that to OT" but it's pretty clear he meant that, when tied with two minutes left, you can't throw away the one point. It's more like "we at least needed to go to OT".

https://www.pressreader.com/canada/c...81509341537126

Believe me, I've read the article and understand the context he was stating in. If you're trying to defend GG by indicating he meant this instead of what he literally said, that's fine, but I'm just going to fundamentally disagree.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

How is Gaudreau coughing up the puck any different than Ferland who got his pocket picked leading to the Sharks first goal?

The time on the clock and the situation the team was in.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

If you read the whole quote he talks about the situation. I'm pretty sure if they dump it in, get it back and score before regulation ends, he's OK with that.

He was frustrated with throwing away a point just like we all were right then. Like I said add "at least" to his sentence. Which is pretty reasonable in a live interview - people speak in shorthand all the time.

[IamNotKenKing]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

Believe me, I've read the article and understand the context he was stating in. If you're trying to defend GG by indicating he meant this instead of what he literally said, that's fine, but I'm just going to fundamentally disagree.

Watch the video if you haven’t, as it gives a better flow than just reading a quote. It was a specific answer to a specific question. And yes, at that point in the game, it is more important to not lose than it is to win. Again, at that point in the game.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

Believe me, I've read the article and understand the context he was stating in. If you're trying to defend GG by indicating he meant this instead of what he literally said, that's fine, but I'm just going to fundamentally disagree.

What he literally said was "we need to take it to OT" which is true. And if they won in regulation, even better. Johnny's mistake got them neither.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

The time on the clock and the situation the team was in.

I don't buy that at all unless you want players like Johnny to just dump the puck deep and sit back in the 3rd period and play for the tie. We all know fans hate it when teams play for a tie so I'm certainly not going to accept that as a basis to support Gulutzan calling out one player for a team loss. This wasn't a defenseman taking a risky pinch to try and create a rush. It was a forward at the middle of the ice trying to skate the puck up ice. There were two forwards and two defensemen between the puck and the net when he lost the puck and the resulting turnover should have never resulted in a goal in the first place so blaming him is just silly.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

That's exactly what he was saying and he was completely right.

And Johnny needs to know better especially in putting the puck blindly into the middle when he's completely surrounded.

And you're right, Smith needs to make that save,

Get the puck deep and cycle...like Saturday night. Obviously take a chance if it presents itself. Every team in the league wants to play it safe at that point in the game. Don't like it? Blame Gary not GG.

Any NHL coach will tell you the same thing, there is a reason so many games go to OT.