[Rumour] McKenzie: Flames among the teams most interested in Evander Kane

[1qqaaz]

I like Evander Kane, but no to any big rentals this year.

The Flames are good, but not that good.
The only way for them to become "that good" is to keep building.

[browna]

Ok so let’s say Hamiltons, Backlund, and maybe a prospect on the farm for a signed Kane, RoR, and say a defenseman like Ristolainen that’s already in the league and playing 27 minutes a game.

I guess my concern is Hamilton needing Gio on the other side, and if he’s paired with someone else does he look and play significantly worse or with less confidence?
Backlund will be asking for a long term deal I am guessing, less $ than ROR but probably same number of years as what ROR has left.

Not a Kane fan and certainly don’t think him as a rental is a good idea, it’s just how much Treliving wants to shake up the dynamic up front at the expense of one of the peicies at the back and making a decision to be shifting away from Backlund.

[sureLoss]

Keep in mind that last time Kane was up on the market during "tracksuit-gate" it was reported that the Jets wanted Bennett from the Flames who was at the time considered a blue chip prospect. Treliving didn't bite then.

[Heavy Jack]

Hamilton’s + Backlund + Stajan (Brouwer ain’t waving as stated, Stajan helps make the dollars work)

RoR + Kane + McCabe (Ristolainen ain’t going anywhere)

I think the value is pretty close if you ask me. Maybe a prospect add by one or the other?

Gaudreau - Monahan - Ferland
Kane - O’Rielly - Tkachuk
Bennett - Jankowski - Jagr
Hathaway - Brouwer - Frolik
Lazar

Giordano - Hamonic
Brodie - Stone
Kulak - McCabe
Andersson

Smith
Rittich

Kane and Tkachuk on the same line would be a nightmare for the opposition there is no doubt and with O’Rielly and his career 54% faceoff (61.5 this year!) they would be possession monsters. That’s a scary scary lineup especially with Bennett/Janko solidifying.

[Vinny01]

Is McCabe that good?

Hamilton > RoR
Backlund > Kane

[Lanny_McDonald]

Hamilton’s + Backlund + Stajan (Brouwer ain’t waving as stated, Stajan helps make the dollars work)

RoR + Kane + McCabe (Ristolainen ain’t going anywhere)

I would do this, but Buffalo hangs up the phone. Calgary gives up two assets with positive value, and two with negative value. Buffalo gives up three assets with positive value. Also, I think they give up the best overall assets and really get little for their future. I would rate the assets the assets as DHamilton, RoR, Kane, Backlund, McCabe, FHamilton, Stajan in order. I just don't see the value there for Buffalo. If there is a trade to be made with Buffalo it is going to cost futures, and likely our best young players. If I'm Buffalo I'm asking for one of Tkachuk, Jankowski, or Bennett off the roster, and a combination of Valimaki, Andresson, Fox, and Dube in a deal for any one of Kane or RoR. Young cost controlled players are the targets for every team now and Buffalo will be targeting those players if they being a sell off of their stars.

[Royle9]

As others have said, I'm not against picking up Kane but he's not going to command big value going the other way. Perennial 40pt guy, attitude concerns, playing in a contract year.

Some GM's (Oilers) might salivate at trading the farm for it, but do you guys think Brad is really going to mortgage our future and or trade away big assets for someone like this? He hasn't been fleeced on a trade yet, in most cases we've come out calling him a WIZARD so let's take a deep breath and let it play itself out.

Arguably the only "fleecing" I can see so far is the 2nd rounder for Lazar, and even then I think it was a 50/50 shot (at the time) it would have worked out but it clearly didn't.

Kane has some intangibles that I think could fit with the current group, however IF we do trade for him we cant be signing him to a big contract, nothing more than 2-3 years.

[flambers]

Originally Posted by Royle9

As others have said, I'm not against picking up Kane but he's not going to command big value going the other way. Perennial 40pt guy, attitude concerns, playing in a contract year.

Some GM's (Oilers) might salivate at trading the farm for it, but do you guys think Brad is really going to mortgage our future and or trade away big assets for someone like this? He hasn't been fleeced on a trade yet, in most cases we've come out calling him a WIZARD so let's take a deep breath and let it play itself out.

Arguably the only "fleecing" I can see so far is the 2nd rounder for Lazar, and even then I think it was a 50/50 shot (at the time) it would have worked out but it clearly didn't.

Kane has some intangibles that I think could fit with the current group, however IF we do trade for him we cant be signing him to a big contract, nothing more than 2-3 years.

I'm not sure, however the current forward group lacks serious offense....

With Versteeg gone, an element from the power play is missing.

I believe he has to acquire a skilled winger.....

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by New Era

Hamilton’s + Backlund + Stajan (Brouwer ain’t waving as stated, Stajan helps make the dollars work)

RoR + Kane + McCabe (Ristolainen ain’t going anywhere)

I would do this, but Buffalo hangs up the phone. Calgary gives up two assets with positive value, and two with negative value. Buffalo gives up three assets with positive value. Also, I think they give up the best overall assets and really get little for their future. I would rate the assets the assets as DHamilton, RoR, Kane, Backlund, McCabe, FHamilton, Stajan in order. I just don't see the value there for Buffalo. If there is a trade to be made with Buffalo it is going to cost futures, and likely our best young players. If I'm Buffalo I'm asking for one of Tkachuk, Jankowski, or Bennett off the roster, and a combination of Valimaki, Andresson, Fox, and Dube in a deal for any one of Kane or RoR. Young cost controlled players are the targets for every team now and Buffalo will be targeting those players if they being a sell off of their stars.

Very interesting that you value a winger that scored roughly 40pts a year ahead of a centre that scores at a similar rate but is also elite defensively. How in any world is Lane more valuable than Backlund? You think Buffalo with a straight face can ask for Tkachuk, Bennett or Jankowski for Kane? You realize Kane scored over 50pts once 5 and a half years ago right? On top of that you feel Buffalo can also demand a top prospect?

Personally I think Buffalo would do RoR for Hamilton in a heartbeat but that is a bad trade for Calgary. Dougie is a 24 year old top pairing D signed for 3 more years after this for $5.75M. RoR is a 26 year old 2nd line centre who is signed for 5 more years at $7.5M per season. He would become our highest paid player and wouldn’t even be our first line C. Not saying I wouldn’t want him but I would want more if we would be trading Dougie for him.

[Heavy Jack]

I look at like:

RoR > Backlund
Hamilton > Kane

Both teams are dealing the greater asset from a position of strength for a position of strength. RoR might not be as good defensively as Backlund but he’s the best faceoff guy we’d have by a lot and he’s good for 55-60 points a year.

D Hamilton would be a loss and is the better player versus Kane but Kane adds significant toughness to the top 6 and the Flames would have 3 scary lines to compete against + a fourth line that becomes a considerable threat as well with Frolik slotting down there.

As I said there is obviously a few adjustments that would have to happen but that’s as close to fair value for either side as it gets IMO.

[keenan87]

Originally Posted by Heavy Jack

I look at like:

RoR > Backlund
Hamilton > Kane

Both teams are dealing the greater asset from a position of strength for a position of strength. RoR might not be as good defensively as Backlund but he’s the best faceoff guy we’d have by a lot and he’s good for 55-60 points a year.

D Hamilton would be a loss and is the better player versus Kane but Kane adds significant toughness to the top 6 and the Flames would have 3 scary lines to compete against + a fourth line that becomes a considerable threat as well with Frolik slotting down there.

As I said there is obviously a few adjustments that would have to happen but that’s as close to fair value for either side as it gets IMO.

Brodie instead of Hamilton...

[Poe969]

This is just my opinion, Kane is a good player...not great but good. I think he'd really help the team because he's the kind of player this team is missing. Kane is like a more skilled Ferland IMO. He has had some character issues in the past but much like many players in the past and likely many will in the future, he's matured since. I would love to have him on this team because I think he would help. I don't think he's the answer but I think he could be part of the answer. Is he worth giving up someone like Bennett or Janko, heck no. Do I think he's worth Gio or Hamilton, that's a big NO. Do I think he's worth Brodie...I don't think he is unless Kane is on a reasonable extension or part of a bigger deal. Now if Buffalo says they want Hamilton and won't budge, no deal. If they say they want Valimaki it's a big NO as well. If they want any high draft picks, I'd say no too.

I like Kane and think he'd be a great fit on the PP and either playing on the first line in Ferlands spot or with Bennett and Janko. I just don't think he's worth giving up too much for. I also think BT is in the same boat, he'd like to have Kane but isn't going to give up the world for him. I'm sure BT has "lost out" on trades because he didn't want to give up too much but I also think he's "won" trades (Hamilton) because he inquires in every option. I think BT has made a couple of questionable moves but I don't think he'll make any boneheaded moves. If it makes sense, he'll get Kane and if it doesn't he won't.

[Geeoff]

I don't like it. History of problems with teammates. Overrated production. Price will be high too because he is having an abnormally good season.

[VilleN]

IMO, Dougie should be as untouchable as they come. A defensman of his calibre should net you a an elite forward in a trade. I look at Dougie's development path as being similar to Victor Hedman. Their career numbers line up very closely. Hedman really started showing signs of being an elite defensman at about age 23-24, the same for Hamilton IMO... I'm not saying Dougie will be as good as Hedman, but D-men really start to come into their own at about this stage in their careers, if we got rid of him now it could end up being a huge embarrassment for the Flames.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Poe969

This is just my opinion, Kane is a good player...not great but good. I think he'd really help the team because he's the kind of player this team is missing. Kane is like a more skilled Ferland IMO. He has had some character issues in the past but much like many players in the past and likely many will in the future, he's matured since. I would love to have him on this team because I think he would help. I don't think he's the answer but I think he could be part of the answer. Is he worth giving up someone like Bennett or Janko, heck no. Do I think he's worth Gio or Hamilton, that's a big NO. Do I think he's worth Brodie...I don't think he is unless Kane is on a reasonable extension or part of a bigger deal. Now if Buffalo says they want Hamilton and won't budge, no deal. If they say they want Valimaki it's a big NO as well. If they want any high draft picks, I'd say no too.

I like Kane and think he'd be a great fit on the PP and either playing on the first line in Ferlands spot or with Bennett and Janko. I just don't think he's worth giving up too much for. I also think BT is in the same boat, he'd like to have Kane but isn't going to give up the world for him. I'm sure BT has "lost out" on trades because he didn't want to give up too much but I also think he's "won" trades (Hamilton) because he inquires in every option. I think BT has made a couple of questionable moves but I don't think he'll make any boneheaded moves. If it makes sense, he'll get Kane and if it doesn't he won't.

This. Buffalo has to know that if Kane isn't dealt by the deadline, they lose him for nothing. So all they can be offered is rental value, with maybe a conditional addition if he re-signs.

[Poe969]

Originally Posted by Geeoff

I don't like it. History of problems with teammates. Overrated production. Price will be high too because he is having an abnormally good season.

Lots of players have had a history of problems with teammates, the big thing is that there hasn't been in a long time which shows that he's matured. Remember how PK Subban had a lot of "problems with teammates" but matured and no one really makes issues of it now. Kane was a kid with money and acted like a kid with money.

As for overrated production, no one is saying he's an 80 point player. He is what he is, a skilled rugged triggerman that a lot of people feel this team needs.

I don't think you can say the price will be too high because they can ask for 10 first round draft picks for him but they won't get him, they'll accept the offer that they like the most. People thought the price for Hamilton was going to be out of this world and it wasn't. So until a trade is finalized, we can't say it'll cost too much.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Heavy Jack

I look at like:

RoR > Backlund
Hamilton > Kane

Both teams are dealing the greater asset from a position of strength for a position of strength. RoR might not be as good defensively as Backlund but he’s the best faceoff guy we’d have by a lot and he’s good for 55-60 points a year.

D Hamilton would be a loss and is the better player versus Kane but Kane adds significant toughness to the top 6 and the Flames would have 3 scary lines to compete against + a fourth line that becomes a considerable threat as well with Frolik slotting down there.

As I said there is obviously a few adjustments that would have to happen but that’s as close to fair value for either side as it gets IMO.

Why would you compare the rentals vs guys signed long term?

Backlund and Kane are in similar spots both can walk in the summer. Hamilton and RoR would be the long term pieces both teams acquire. The Sabres would likely flip Backs at the deadline for futures.

Flames give up the best asset and take back the biggest contract. Like I said if McCabe is a huge add (I am not really sure if he is good or not) maybe the deal isn’t bad bad as it appears

[Geeoff]

Originally Posted by Poe969

Lots of players have had a history of problems with teammates, the big thing is that there hasn't been in a long time which shows that he's matured. Remember how PK Subban had a lot of "problems with teammates" but matured and no one really makes issues of it now. Kane was a kid with money and acted like a kid with money.

As for overrated production, no one is saying he's an 80 point player. He is what he is, a skilled rugged triggerman that a lot of people feel this team needs.

I don't think you can say the price will be too high because they can ask for 10 first round draft picks for him but they won't get him, they'll accept the offer that they like the most. People thought the price for Hamilton was going to be out of this world and it wasn't. So until a trade is finalized, we can't say it'll cost too much.

Subban had problems with the Coach and GM, not his teammates. Also, Subban is many times the player that Evander Kane is. Subban never had an incident like Kane had with Dustin Byfuglien.

I dunno. I'm just not a fan of the player and this team can't afford to give up anymore 1st round picks.

[Flames_F.T.W]

IF and that's a big IF, we trade Dougie, it should ONLY be for a top line forward. Someone like Mark Stone would a good option.

[Bunk]

Originally Posted by Flames_F.T.W

IF and that's a big IF, we trade Dougie, it should ONLY be for a top line forward. Someone like Mark Stone would a good option.

M. Stone on the jerseys wouldn't even suffice. Thus, this trade is impossible.