[Rumour] McKenzie: Flames among the teams most interested in Evander Kane

[Love]

Originally Posted by bubbsy

so $6.5M for a guy we want playing on the 3rd line?

He's been a 30-40 point guy most of his career, while much of that likely included top 6 mins, and PP duty.

Imagine how quickly he falls from grace here if he's eating that much salary and contributing less than 40 points, which is a possible outcome.

at this point, why not let backlund walk, forget kane, and throw $10M+ to Tavares and really improve the roster to become contender caliber?

Pittsburgh paid Kessel what $8M to play on their third line and it resulted in 2 cups

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Love

Pittsburgh paid Kessel what $8M to play on their third line and it resulted in 2 cups

Thats what drafting and development can do. You can have Kessel on your 3rd line and some new kid making league minimum on your first.

[Poe969]

with a lineup like that, you roll 3 lines constantly and the 4th once in a while. They all share time evenly sort of thing

[Hot_Flatus]

Originally Posted by Love

Pittsburgh paid Kessel what $8M to play on their third line and it resulted in 2 cups

Kessel is also in a different league than Evander Kane.

[PaperBagger'14]

Originally Posted by Love

Pittsburgh paid Kessel what $8M to play on their third line and it resulted in 2 cups

Kessel wasn't a 40 point guy

[Vinny01]

Pens also are not paying Kessel $8M the leafs are eating a portion of that cap. I believe they are paying $6.8M which is a lot but solid for a guy that has scored over 30 several times. Kane hasn’t done that for years.

Table the Brouwer or Frolik contract to Lane pre-trade and if he takes that then i would be okay with the move

[Roughneck]

Originally Posted by Love

Pittsburgh paid Kessel what $8M to play on their third line and it resulted in 2 cups

Kessel was a much, much more proven scorer than Kane has ever been (he had multiple 30 goal and PPG seasons by the time he was Kane's age), and could actually carry a line offensively.

Hell, he's still a more proven scorer even on the 'third line.' Give me Kessel at $8M over Kane at $2M, never mind 6.

[Love]

Originally Posted by Hot_Flatus

Kessel is also in a different league than Evander Kane.

In a different league than anyone we have or could acquire for our third line either (if he were to play there)

[Love]

Also the point wasn't between a comparison of Kane and Kessel. Dude said it didn't make sense to have somebody making such a large sum of money playing on the third line and the Kessel thing was just a counterexample proving that to not be true. Going on to say 'well Kane isn't Kessel!' is just a shift of goalposts. I've never said as such and I know Kessel is clearly the superior player to Evander.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Love

In a different league than anyone we have or could acquire for our third line either (if he were to play there)

Bad take here. 19 year old Sam Bennett outscored 24 year old Evander Kane. Let’s not say Evander Lane whonhas not scores north of 50pts in 5 years in another league than Bennett, Jankowski, or Jagr

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Love

Also the point wasn't between a comparison of Kane and Kessel. Dude said it didn't make sense to have somebody making such a large sum of money playing on the third line and the Kessel thing was just a counterexample proving that to not be true. Going on to say 'well Kane isn't Kessel!' is just a shift of goalposts. I've never said as such and I know Kessel is clearly the superior player to Evander.

Your point still isn't valid seeing the Flames don't have Crosby on their 1st line and Malkin on the 2nd line. The Flames are paying Brouwer $4.5 million to play on the 4th line. Is that really working out so well that we need to add a $6 million 3rd liner?

[Young_Guns]

I know most are naysayers when it comes to E.Kane, but I would take him on this team any day as long as the price was fair.

[Hey Connor, It's Mess]

Originally Posted by Young_Guns

I know most are naysayers when it comes to E.Kane, but I would take him on this team any day as long as the price was fair.

Yeah that's the thing, there's no way the price will be fair and without a contract extension as part of a deal, he'd just be a rental and that makes zero sense for this club right now.

[Poe969]

I 100% agree. I don't think BT picks up a rental, I think he'll trade for someone with a deal in place. If Kane wants too much on his next contract, there won't be a deal

[bubbsy]

Originally Posted by Love

Also the point wasn't between a comparison of Kane and Kessel. Dude said it didn't make sense to have somebody making such a large sum of money playing on the third line and the Kessel thing was just a counterexample proving that to not be true. Going on to say 'well Kane isn't Kessel!' is just a shift of goalposts. I've never said as such and I know Kessel is clearly the superior player to Evander.

it's such a brutal comparison that, frankly, it killed the argument altogether.

If a team can manage to get their hands on a annual 30 goal, 70 point guy onto their team to put them over the top, no brainer.

Kane is nowhere even close to that. His career indicates that a safe bet is half as many goals and half as many points per season. That kind of player, doesn't put a team over the edge into a contender, regardless of the acquisition cost of salary. When you actually do consider those two parameters, it seems like a pretty obvious bad decision.

Kane's current AAV out of his RFA contract is $5.25M. Over the course of hte 6 years of this contract, i'd imagine it's been an annual disappointment. Guy is having a great contract year this year, I'm sure some idiot GM will give him an equivalent or better contract that he's on but i sure as hell hope it ain't the GM of my team.

[yourbestfriend]

Kane is 0.62ppg over his career which is about a 51point player. Statistically, when he's not injured he's a 25/25 guy.
As compared to Kessel, the HERO chart (2015-2017) actually paints an interesting picture. Kane outscores Phil at 5v5 and generates more shots at 5v5 as well.

He's a lot better player than a lot of you guys are giving him credit for.

Edit: No idea how to attach said chart. If someone could post one, that'd be great

[Kybb79]

Kane would be a top 3 forward on this team. If BT can somehow work out some sort of extension i would trade Brodie in a heatbeat.

[VilleN]

Serious question: Why do people value Evander Kane so highly? He has broken 50pts once in his career. He has never played an entire season. He has well known and documented personal issues (don't care about the twitter pic, but the abuse of women that he's been accused of is pretty alarming)... I think he's a 3rd liner on this team, but I don't think he's worth the risk in throwing off locker room chemistry.

[Bourque's Twin]

Originally Posted by Kybb79

Kane would be a top 3 forward on this team. If BT can somehow work out some sort of extension i would trade Brodie in a heatbeat.

BUF would certainly have to add.

[Poe969]

watch BT pull of a deal of Brodie + Brouwer for Kane and McCabe lol