The trials and tribulations of Glen Gulutzan

[DazzlinDino]

Originally Posted by Moneyhands23

What a joke. Bassicly just keep doing the same thing that doesnt work and hoping for different results. Bunch of duds

"Same guys that refuse to change the player usage"? I don't know if it is GG but somebody's concepts are holding back the team. Does anyone wonder if it is the assistants that are running the team?

[bubbsy]

Originally Posted by nik-

This is what I don't get. Treliving is just making this become his seat as the hot seat. Why the loyalty to a mediocre coach?

This will be a third season where bad decisions cost a year of this core. The Wizard moniker is going to start looking pretty silly. I will easily grant though that Elliott wasn't a bad decision, just bad results, but this is a results based league.

ya i don't get it either. I'm willing to even give him the "first try is typically a hit or a miss". Where his first goalie decision in elliott floundered, but his second one was a home run. Perhaps it works out the same for the head coaching choice.

[Ozy_Flame]

Really want Ralph Kreuger . I think he is the right coach for this team of youngsters that have plateaued ... Doubt he comes back to the NHL though.

[Classic_Sniper]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

I could see one of the assistants going first.

Probably Jerrard since he seems to be the one hand picked by Gulatzan, also coach of the d-core that is underachieving right now.

It would be interesting but I wouldn't be overly surprised if Jim Playfair came in as assistant coach on the backend. Worked with Tre is Phoenix, has ties to this organization, and is a decent defensive coach.

We're a 3rd way into the season, we have the 3rd worst PK in the league at 75% and we've allowed the 7th most goals in the league despite the heroics from Mike Smith and one of the so called "best" defenses in the league. We could easily be Arizona right now.

I'm running out of patience with Jerrard and his awful looking PK structure. Even when the penalties are being killed, we're allowing tons of grade A scoring chances and giving the other team momentum (i.e. Maple Leafs, Oilers).

[stone hands]

After seeing how long it took this group to adjust to glen last season you people are really wondering why Treliving would be hesitant to fire a coach with a winning record in a tight division when he has no early round draft picks?

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

I don't think so. If the Flames miss the playoffs this season without a pick in the first two rounds, Treliving is guaranteed to be out.

Not a chance. GMs have much longer shelf lives than coaches. Most don't get fired until they've gone through 3 coaches. Treliving will feel the heat if the Flames miss the playoffs, but he'll still have a job.

Originally Posted by Infinit47

So a quick Google search tells me the Flames had a 32-33 record in regulation play last year, and 32-37 if you include the playoffs. We were 18th in the league in regulation wins.

We have a losing record again this year in regulation.

At what point will this team realize Gulutzan is about a .500 coach who plays not to lose, instead of trying to win.

Gaudreau and Monahan's wizardry in O/T and the shoot-out has masked the fact this is a sub-.500 team in regulation. The personnel is there for at least an average team, so it's difficult to come to any conclusion except that the coach is not getting the most out of the roster.

[nik-]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

Not a chance. GMs have much longer shelf lives than coaches. Most don't get fired until they've gone through 3 coaches. Treliving will feel the heat if the Flames miss the playoffs, but he'll still have a job.

Typically yes, but not if he sits on his hands in an "all in" season. If he makes changes and it doesn't work and we miss the playoffs, he's safe. If he does nothing and we miss, I'm not sure he is.

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by stone hands

After seeing how long it took this group to adjust to glen last season you people are really wondering why Treliving would be hesitant to fire a coach with a winning record in a tight division when he has no early round draft picks?

Why would this team be adjusting to the exact same coaching staff?

[868904]

Originally Posted by stone hands

After seeing how long it took this group to adjust to glen last season you people are really wondering why Treliving would be hesitant to fire a coach with a winning record in a tight division when he has no early round draft picks?

The question you have to ask is this:

Was it the problem with the system, the coach's message or was it the players fault for not adjusting?

The Canucks have had no problem adjusting to a new coach and system.

Sometimes with the scholarly types like Gulutzan, I think they over complicate things, which could be why the players could not adjust.

You have a master motivator in Darryl Sutter sitting at home in Alberta, who has recently won 2 Stanley Cups in the "new NHL", the first of which, he took over a team mid way through the season. Don't know why this is a hard decision.

Even the wins this year have been disappointing for the most part. Really there's only been one great game from the Flames and that was the Washington game, and when it's just one game, you have to wonder if maybe that performance had as much to do with the Capitals not showing up rather than the Flames playing their perfect game.

[bubbsy]

Hmm ...

Larry Fisher‏ @LarryFisher_KDC
Larry Fisher Retweeted Khan
Note that the keyword there was *could* be Gulutzan's last game. Source was speculating as much as anything, not like he got word from Brad Treliving mid-game that the firing was imminent. That said, it does sound like a change could be coming sooner than later for #Flames. #THW

Larry Fisher‏ @LarryFisher_KDC 12h12 hours ago
Larry Fisher Retweeted Facing Off
We also talked about potential coaching changes and I'm hearing now that tonight could be Glen Gulutzan's last game in charge of the #Flames. However, I've heard three different names as possible replacements: Darryl Sutter, Dave Tippett and Ryan Huska. Speculate away. #NHL #THW

His twitter credentials read:
Sports Reporter for @KelownaCourier, covering WHL's Kelowna Rockets and Okanagan Sun junior football team. Contributor for @TheHockeyWriter. Opinions are my own

[Toonage]

Does this guy break news from time to time?

[Stay Golden]

Originally Posted by DazzlinDino

"Same guys that refuse to change the player usage"? I don't know if it is GG but somebody's concepts are holding back the team. Does anyone wonder if it is the assistants that are running the team?

If it walks like a duck it's a duck. It's Gulutzan's doing just like the only reason Jerrard is even here is because Gulutzan wanted him & it's the Not the first time "Gully" has brought this dud alongside his vapid coaching career.
I wonder what the result of that was hmmm..
A smart leader and this rings true in any organization sports or business surrounds themself with experts in their field.
Gulutzan is neither smart or a leader.

https://globalnews.ca/news/2807476/d...oaching-staff/

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Jerrard

https://www.google.ca/amp/s/www.nbcd...1.html%3famp=y

[bubbsy]

Originally Posted by Toonage

Does this guy break news from time to time?

nope, but media types have definitely started talking about the chance of him being on the outs.

[Toonage]

Originally Posted by bubbsy

nope, but media types have definitely started talking about the chance of him being on the outs.

Sorry, was an old meme here for some other reporter.

I genuinely hope there is some truth to this, and I do appreciate you posting it.

[Monahan For Mayor]

It's going to suck if we keep Gulutzan and continue to suck. While a struggling team fired their coach and hires Sutter.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by 868904

The Canucks have had no problem adjusting to a new coach and system.

Neither have the Blues. Or the Kings. And of course the Golden Knights are doing more than fine with completely new teammates and coaches.

The 'coaching adjustment' excuse is just a CP meme.

[browna]

Originally Posted by Stay Golden

If it walks like a duck it's a duck. It's Gulutzan's doing just like the only reason Jerrard is even here is because Gulutzan wanted him & it's the Not the first time "Gully" has brought this dud alongside his vapid coaching career.
I wonder what the result of that was hmmm..
A smart leader and this rings true in any organization sports or business surrounds themself with experts in their field.
Gulutzan is neither smart or a leader.

https://globalnews.ca/news/2807476/d...oaching-staff/

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Jerrard

https://www.google.ca/amp/s/www.nbcd...1.html%3famp=y

I’m as tepid on GG right now as many, but this guy has gotten to this level, and sticked at this upper elite coaching level for a while, for a reason. Multiple executives and hockey people over the years, much much smarter and connected than anyone here, have decided on GG to work for their organization.

If he’s not working out here and now, given his style and the results he’s getting, fair enough. That’s for those above him to decide and make the change.

As far as assistants, each coach has at least one guy he’s comfortable with and brings along when him. D. Sutter it was Preston, Hartley was Cloutier...neither of those assistants would qualify as experts in much of anything compared to some others, but it’s the comfort level and working ability with those guys that head coaches trust implicitly, which is a big part of an effective coaching staff.

That’s why you rarely see assistants sacked in the NHL.

[Infinit47]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

Neither have the Blues. Or the Kings. And of course the Golden Knights are doing more than fine with completely new teammates and coaches.

The 'coaching adjustment' excuse is just a CP meme.

Or those coaching staff's design a system that takes advantage of those team's strengths, instead of the "square peg in a round hole" style GG pushes.

[Travis Munroe]

Words do not describe what sort of mood an announcement of Sutter as head coach would put me in. I would then feel 100% confident if the team didn't shape up, that it was in fact the team. I don't use that as a knock against GG but he doesn't have the same resume therefore it is impossible to tell if these issues are GG, assistants or players.

[Poe969]

It only becomes an excuse if things continue with a new coach. I would start by getting a new coach and letting there be a small adjustment period, if things don't progress and players don't improve then you have to make some roster changes.

Things are clearly not working and there have been a lot of posts on here that would make anyone question GG's coaching decisions. He's part of the problem but I agree that he may not be the entire problem.