Kramer pulls a Mel Gibson

[OILFAN #81]

Just watched Letterman. He did seem sincere in his apology and like others said I hope he gets the help and "personal work" he needs. It still doesn't make what he said any better but atleast he came out and apologized.

[Vulcan]

Kudos to Richards for apologizing and to Seinfeld for backing him up although the cynic in me can say Jerry was only protecting his show's property. It was a pretty good apology and I think he did say he's going to do some therapy .

[Tower]

Originally Posted by J pold

No in fact no other race knows what it is like to have the word Nig*er used against them believe it or not, and yes all other races have are pinned with racist terms as well but none of those terms have nearly the same meaning or history connected to them especially in north America


I am not saying that the use of the word is right or wrong when it is used by the African American population, what I am saying is that myself being a white male have no right to say wheatear or not it is. I know it is wrong if I where to say it or any another non African American person but I have never have had that word used against me, and I will never know what it is like to have that word used against me. There is a tremendous amount of debate in the black community as to whether or not it is right for them to use that word but I am not a part of that debate and neither is any other person who is not black

Perhaps I didn't write it clearly - For that I'm sorry.

It is classic as all races have been given derogatory term bent to bring them down. That is what I find classic. It is a word that also means "brother" and so in that context.... It is available for all to use.
I'm fine with offending people. We have become far to politically correct that it is kind of funny... My view anyway.

Also - how do you make something go away? Or stop bothering you? Remember what your mom said about you sibling when they offended you?

Ignore him/her and then it will go away.... Hence you give it no power.

[Tower]

Originally Posted by OILFAN #81

That's different. It is well known that when African-Americans call themselves that, that it's a term for "bro" or "dude". Like hey "n....." what's up? It's acceptable in that tone to them because they are using it in a tone that doesn't portray hate.

Yup - not protraying hate.... So if it is not potraying hate there is no issue.

So people with more pigment with decendants from african countries or caribbean areas.....

By the way I'm going to talk to my black friends about this. See what they say.... I know the answer anyway.... No issue but that may be because they know me, and know my humor and I am not using it in that wrong context.


Whitey out!

[Vulcan]

Originally Posted by Tower

Perhaps I didn't write it clearly - For that I'm sorry.

It is classic as all races have been given derogatory term bent to bring them down. That is what I find classic. It is a word that also means "brother" and so in that context.... It is available for all to use.
I'm fine with offending people. We have become far to politically correct that it is kind of funny... My view anyway.

Also - how do you make something go away? Or stop bothering you? Remember what your mom said about you sibling when they offended you?

Ignore him/her and then it will go away.... Hence you give it no power.

To me, I don't call people that I want to show respect, names they don't like. It's a pretty easy concept but if you insist try walking the walk down Harlem repeating the N word and give us a report.

[Tower]

Originally Posted by Vulcan

To me, I don't call people that I want to show respect, names they don't like. It's a pretty easy concept but if you insist try walking the walk down Harlem repeating the N word and give us a report.

ha ha! Well - if you have been there I wouldn't walk down Harlem anytime. However - never offend people with guns..... EVER!

My point has been made. You altered mine to fit your point.


Edit - (From a New Yorker that I go to school with) It is said by the way by a whitey when the whitey or "ghetto white" is accepted as a "brother from another mother". Hence when two different races are friends - nig*er is passed off back and forth in normal conversation... BOOOYAAAH! (ignore the last part there.... I'm doing an over nighter and I'm ready to pass out) So if I was their friend I would... But I'm not... So your suggestion is not the smartest thing to do.... I don't know enough of the street jive to even ask where to find the closest washroom....

Even new terms are comming out - like "ghetto white" or ghetto-ass, white boy and such... that actually makes me chuckle....Is it an insult like it is suppose to be? I guess from what I've been told and read it comes from assosiation - here is an example - I skimmed through it as my concentration is long gone but this guy has more an issue with the term ghetto than anything. This is only one persons view however.
http://ghettouprising.blogspot.com/2...ew-******.html
Anywho.... I'm done with this conversation. I'm moving on.

[Devils'Advocate]

I don't buy the apology just as I don't buy Mels. When you are drunk, or when you fly into a rage you say stuff without thinking. You're flying without a safety net and you say your raw true feelings. I don't care how ****ed off I am, it would never occur to me to insult the guys based on their race. And that "50 years ago" comment sounded like he was yearning for the days when the KKK strung up black people"!!

He can apologize all he wants... his career is dead, dead, dead and rightfully so.

[jolinar of malkshor]

Originally Posted by kipperfan

How so? If you get mad at your black friend do you call him a N***er?

Sorry, maybe your different, but 90% of us wouldnt ever use a racial slur, regardless of the circumstance.

So elaborate....what is BS?

Like I have said the past 10+ posts.....the word was used in a racial tone and was wrong....but it doesn't make him a racist. I am saying BS to your statement that who ever would say such a thing is a racist. That is wrong.

Like has been posted before....we don;t know what led up to his out burst....they may have been calling him something...who knows....but when someone snaps like that they aren't thinking of what words to say....if they were saying racist remarks to him.....it is likely he is going to retaliate in the same way.....it was wrong.....but it doesn't make him racist.

[jolinar of malkshor]

Originally Posted by kipperfan

No dude, if the black man came up to me and said that I might call him a dumb F** or punch him in the mouth, but I would never use a racial slur, EVER. And I know there are alot of people just like me, just because someone calls me an "Irish drunken prick" or a "stupid cracker" or a "dumb white boy" doesnt mean I would ever use their race against them in response.

Oh so punching someone is better than calling him a racial slur. Nice.

[jolinar of malkshor]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

I kind of understand what he is getting at. Saying something racist doesn't necessarily mean that you have genuine racist beliefs. Sometimes when people are extremely angry at another person, they will say anything they can to try and hurt that person even if it is attacking a whole group of people.

Thats what I have been saying for the lst 14 pages.

[kipperfan]

Originally Posted by jolinar of malkshor

Like I have said the past 10+ posts.....the word was used in a racial tone and was wrong....but it doesn't make him a racist. I am saying BS to your statement that who ever would say such a thing is a racist. That is wrong.

Like has been posted before....we don;t know what led up to his out burst....they may have been calling him something...who knows....but when someone snaps like that they aren't thinking of what words to say....if they were saying racist remarks to him.....it is likely he is going to retaliate in the same way.....it was wrong.....but it doesn't make him racist.

Yes we do. Read the thread and the links provided before blindly posting mis-information.

[jolinar of malkshor]

Originally Posted by kipperfan

Yes we do. Read the thread and the links provided before blindly posting mis-information.

You where there???????????????

I thought so. I read all the links and the blogs....you never know the whole story unless you are part of the incident.

[kipperfan]

Originally Posted by jolinar of malkshor

Oh so punching someone is better than calling him a racial slur. Nice.

Yes it is. I punch a black man, he can punch me back. I call a black man a n***er, i have sunk to a level he cant go to because there is no word worse then N***er and certainly no name a black man call call a white man that would compare.

[metallicat]

http://youtube.com/watch?v=uNNiMOGKThg

Apology right here. From the heart if you ask me.

[kipperfan]

Originally Posted by jolinar of malkshor

You where there???????????????

I thought so. I read all the links and the blogs....you never know the whole story unless you are part of the incident.

Are you that naive? So you dont believe Barry Bonds set the home run record? You dont think there is a International Space Station? You dont think Sutter drafter Dion Phaneuf? Shall I go on?

Sorry bucko but there are many ways something can be established as fact, and if you think your presence is required for that to happen you living in a sad, cynical and naive world.

When reports from patrons, the club owner both follow the same vain...and then Richards himself makes no mention of anything to the contrary of those reports....in fact no one has said anything contrary to those reports....that is as good as fact.

[jolinar of malkshor]

Originally Posted by kipperfan

Yes it is. I punch a black man, he can punch me back. I call a black man a n***er, i have sunk to a level he cant go to because there is no word worse then N***er and certainly no name a black man call call a white man that would compare.

Give me a break....Lowering yourself to the last form of attack....(violence) is way...WAY....worse than calling someone a bad name.

Your logic is completely warped.

Ok everyone....what is worse....punching someone because he said something bad to you or calling them a bad name back??

To me....there is no question.

[kipperfan]

Originally Posted by jolinar of malkshor

Give me a break....Lowering yourself to the last form of attack....(violence) is way...WAY....worse than calling someone a bad name.

Your logic is completely warped.

Ok everyone....what is worse....punching someone because he said something bad to you or calling them a bad name back??

To me....there is no question.

You fail to point of the massive difference between a "bad name" and a "racial slur". I guess its all the same to you ehh?

[jolinar of malkshor]

Originally Posted by kipperfan

Are you that naive? So you dont believe Barry Bonds set the home run record? You dont think there is a International Space Station? You dont think Sutter drafter Dion Phaneuf? Shall I go on?

Sorry bucko but there are many ways something can be established as fact, and if you think your presence is required for that to happen you living in a sad, cynical and naive world.

When reports from patrons, the club owner both follow the same vain...and then Richards himself makes no mention of anything to the contrary of those reports....in fact no one has said anything contrary to those reports....that is as good as fact.

Nice argument Ok I have read all the posts other than the ones that interview Richards personally.....so let me look at them and I will get back to you.

[jolinar of malkshor]

Originally Posted by kipperfan

You fail to point of the massive difference between a "bad name" and a "racial slur". I guess its all the same to you ehh?

Ohhhh...so sorry... a racial slur....is it better to punch someone for calling you a racial slur or stoop to their level and call you a slur back.

[MagicallyAdept]

Originally Posted by kipperfan

Yes we do. Read the thread and the links provided before blindly posting mis-information.

So if you have an avatar of Borat - an obviously racist character, does that make you racist too? Most likely not.

I do find it bizarre that people can only count you racist if you use a term in a negative way. If i said "you crazy Canadian *******" to a friend while we are having fun it does not make me racist/nationalist but if i say it after an arguement it can be said i have something against him being a Candadian. You are racist/nationalist/sizist etc if you ever mention some words or not racist no matter what you say or not racist despite anything you say. There is no middle ground really. I believe you only know if you are a racist/homophobe/nationalist/sizist/sexist etc. What he said does not make him a racist person, it just makes him look like a complete twat and most likely ruin what career he had and thats worse for him than if we think he is a racist.

What really annoys me though is the policy of some places (UK for example) that everything is deemed to be a crime against some kind of group. If i have a fight with a black guy - its a racist attack. If i say woman are better cooks - i am a sexist, if i say i don't like Brokeback Mountain i am a homophobe. Also as i thin straight white male i can be sexist/racist/homophobic/sizist no matter what yet black/asian people cannot be racist to white people even if they say things like "white bread" or "snowflake". Everyone should be equal no matter what and the law should reflect that.

The post's title reminds me of a joke:

They said Mel Gibson could never play Scotsman in Braveheart but look at him now , an alcoholic and a racist... - p.s this does not mean i think Scottist people are racist or alcoholics :P

Oh and you 'crazy Canadians' ..... :P:P:P