2017/2018 Trade Speculation and Rumors

[Geeoff]

I hope for Sens fans' sake, Melnyk sells that team. They need ownership that's serious about winning. You've got Erik Karlsson, you gotta go for it IMO.

[Heavy Jack]

Stajan (50% retained) + Lack + D Prospect for Ian Cole?? I dunno, would be getting crowded on the backend.

[ThaBrink]

Originally Posted by Heavy Jack

Stajan (50% retained) + Lack + D Prospect for Ian Cole?? I dunno, would be getting crowded on the backend.

It really depends on the d prospect and even then I'm not sure if I'd do that. I don't see the use in Ian Cole unless we are giving him the #6 spot and sending Kulak down to Stockton. Depth is good but we already have a lot of defensive depth. Unloading Stajan and Lack would be nice but we don't need to salary gone, And they're both off the books this coming year anyway.

[Heavy Jack]

Originally Posted by ThaBrink

It really depends on the d prospect and even then I'm not sure if I'd do that. I don't see the use in Ian Cole unless we are giving him the #6 spot and sending Kulak down to Stockton. Depth is good but we already have a lot of defensive depth. Unloading Stajan and Lack would be nice but we don't need to salary gone, And they're both off the books this coming year anyway.

I agree fully ~ was more over just spitballing a trade because there has been so much talk of Treliving tweaking/adding to the D's bottom pairing. I think honestly we need to promote from within and keep giving Kulak and others some NHL reps.

[bigrangy]

Cole sucks

Slight upgrade on Bart but the Flames already have 7 guys in Stockton that can improve on him

[Badgers Nose]

Cole?

Please, no more garbage.

BT fixed #1G (boy did he ever). And #2G is probably in the system.

Same for 3rd and 4th line fixes. They are in the system.

Unless a GM gets crazy and volunteers to take Brouwer or Stajan the Flames should make no trades until they try internal fixes.

[Beninho]

Treliving needs to calm down with this defense, adding a #6 Dman is not gonna do anything, just like adding Hamonic has done nothing for this team defensively. It starts with the coach and also realizing that building this team with defense as it's main strength may not be the best idea. Team needs more offense and that should've been fixed over summer with the assets that got us Hamonic. Hamonic was complete overkill and has been a big ZERO of an upgrade

[RoughRiderRowdy]

Originally Posted by Beninho

Treliving needs to calm down with this defense, adding a #6 Dman is not gonna do anything, just like adding Hamonic has done nothing for this team defensively. It starts with the coach and also realizing that building this team with defense as it's main strength may not be the best idea. Team needs more offense and that should've been fixed over summer with the assets that got us Hamonic. Hamonic was complete overkill and has been a big ZERO of an upgrade

Brodie adds nothing defensively to this team. He needs to be traded for offensive help. IMO we dont lose a whole lot without brodie in the lineup

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Beninho

Treliving needs to calm down with this defense, adding a #6 Dman is not gonna do anything, just like adding Hamonic has done nothing for this team defensively. It starts with the coach and also realizing that building this team with defense as it's main strength may not be the best idea. Team needs more offense and that should've been fixed over summer with the assets that got us Hamonic. Hamonic was complete overkill and has been a big ZERO of an upgrade

Our team has horrible goals against. Having a top blueline is actually a great move if a team lacks superstar offensive players. The Flames have Gaudreau and that is about it as an elite offensive superstar.

I don’t disagree Hamonic has been pretty awful. It was fairly surprising he cost that much in a trade considering he is coming off a bad season. If he played the way the Flames hoped the trade wouldn’t be overkill.

Ideally the team wanted to roll out 2 D pairings that would be a top pair on most teams. Brodie-Hamonic have been no where close to that. If they were playing well and the team was top 5 in GAA it would be a good trade. Hopefully they turn it around but both Brodie and Hamonic are not bringing it.

[Moneyhands23]

Seems to me that the nhl has changed and having dynamic forwards is more important than 6 top d. Def dont need more defense, a scoring forward would be top of the list

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Moneyhands23

Seems to me that the nhl has changed and having dynamic forwards is more important than 6 top d. Def dont need more defense, a scoring forward would be top of the list

Nashville made the finals on the back of an elite D just last year. Sure Pitt had a rag tag blueline but also have 2 generational forwards which is not available to most teams including the Flames

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Nashville made the finals on the back of an elite D just last year. Sure Pitt had a rag tag blueline but also have 2 generational forwards which is not available to most teams including the Flames

not to mention two ridiculously good goal tenders...

[Moneyhands23]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Nashville made the finals on the back of an elite D just last year. Sure Pitt had a rag tag blueline but also have 2 generational forwards which is not available to most teams including the Flames

They have some solid forwards as well if you take a look. Not to mention the last 10 years of cup winners have had 1 or 2 great dman and top flight forwards.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Moneyhands23

They have some solid forwards as well if you take a look. Not to mention the last 10 years of cup winners have had 1 or 2 great dman and top flight forwards.

I don’t disagree they have some good forwards but so do the Flames.

I don’t see the team making a move with a Dman during the season but depending how the year plays out I could definitely see the Flames shopping a Dman at the draft this summer.

[Beninho]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Our team has horrible goals against. Having a top blueline is actually a great move if a team lacks superstar offensive players. The Flames have Gaudreau and that is about it as an elite offensive superstar.

I don’t disagree Hamonic has been pretty awful. It was fairly surprising he cost that much in a trade considering he is coming off a bad season. If he played the way the Flames hoped the trade wouldn’t be overkill.

Ideally the team wanted to roll out 2 D pairings that would be a top pair on most teams. Brodie-Hamonic have been no where close to that. If they were playing well and the team was top 5 in GAA it would be a good trade. Hopefully they turn it around but both Brodie and Hamonic are not bringing it.

I fully agree with notion of having a top blue line is essential if the team lacks offense but all I think this team is missing is another puck carrier or creator similar to Gaudreau to use on the second line. Obviously that player won't be Johnny but someone who plays that style would help the 2nd or 3rd lines tremendously. Imo this defense is not good enough to be this teams strength and one needs to be shipped out of town. I understand depth but there is way too much invested in this defense for them to be underperforming this much. It's very worrying that Hamonic has showed zero signs of a player that would cost a first rounder and two seconds. It seems like Treliving caved in those negotiations, the two seconds on top of the first seems ridiculous all ready. Just not good enough

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Beninho

I fully agree with having a top blue line is essential if the team lacks offense but all I think this team is missing is another puck carrier or creator similar to Gaudreau to use on the second line. Obviously that player won't be Johnny but someone who plays that style would help the 2nd or 3rd lines tremendously. Imo this defense is not good enough to be this teams strength and one needs to be shipped out of town. I understand depth but there way too much invested in this defense for them to be underperforming this much. It's very worrying that Hamonic has showed zero signs of a player that would cost a first rounder and two seconds. Just not good enough

I don’t disagree. I can certainly see the Flames exploring a trade like that this summer.

For some reason I envision a Hamilton-Marner type deal over the summer. The Leafs will absolutely want to add a top blue liner and the Flames could acquire a skilled forward who could rekindle his chemistry with Tkachuk.

The worst part is the blueline is playing no where near their potential. I read an article showing Gio-Dougie were a dominating top pair but the eye test doesn’t show me that. Gio is still elite and Dougie has some games where he is incredible and others where he is awful.

Hamonic has been brutal outside of 2-3 games and has come no where near the cost paid to acquire him

[Kybb79]

I would honestly ship out a couple Dmen like Hamilton and Brodie for some firepower in the top 6.

[soulchoice]

I think it is true the Calgary D is not performing to the level we had expected. The Nashville D is still a better unit from 1-4, we may have an advantage at the 5 spot though. Here is how i see it.

Roman Josi - #1 Dman
Subban - #1 Dman
Ekholm - #2 Dman
Ellis - #2-#3 Dman

Gio - #1 Dman
Hamilton - #2 Being he is not an overall threat and hasnt show he can be the straw that stirs, I strongly believe he is potential 1 but is a #2 for now. Its Gio that brings his level of play up. Just as Gio did with Brodie.
Brodie - Solid #2-3 Dman
Hamonic - More of a #4 dman at this point, potential to get back to a solid #3, but hasnt shown that this or the last few seasons.

Predators top 4 is definitely better than the Flames. However the Flames still need to step it up.

[Love]

Gio: #1
Hamilton: #3
Brodie: #4
Hamonic: #6
Stone: #5/6

[AustinL_NHL]

Originally Posted by Da_Chief

This is exactly why the Coyotes are where they are, going by advanced stats will lead you to believe Gio-Hamilton is one of the best pairings out there but they really are not.

They get hemmed in their zone (excusable since they're facing top lines) but they turnover the puck more then just here and there (especially Hamilton). Gio has played quite well, Hamilton needs to improve quite a bit for them to actually considered one of the best pairing.

They're good but not as good as those numbers make them out to be.

Posts like this just make me shake my head.

At least do some minimal research before making such a post.

Just because the Coyotes' GM is an analytics guy doesn't automatically mean the Coyotes are gonna have great analytics. If fact, they have among the worst analytics in the NHL and as such, they're predictably at the bottom of the standings.

Gio-Hamilton have been a dominant pairing all season long and all the evidence proves it. There is no evidence to suggest otherwise unless you're just making stuff up, like here.