[PGT] Leafs 4 Flames 1

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Originally Posted by Frank MetaMusil

Yes I literally did. Hyman walked around him like he was Bartkowski on the second goal. He was -3. I watched the entire game man.

You mean he outmuscled him in a board battle and skated into the center of the ice where any number of other Flames could have stopped him? The whole point of the Flames defensive structure is to control the middle of the ice and limit plays in the high danger areas, yet the team failed to do so on that play. That can't be all on Gio because you won't always win every single board battle.

And comparing him to Bartkowski...come on now.

[CGY12]

Being in Toronto I was forced to watch the game on the Leafs feed on tsn, and the 2 goofs (Ferraro and Miller) noticed the Flames number 1 line sitting for a long stretch in the 3rd, I think from the 15 min mark to about the 7/8 min mark. Did anybody notice this? I was wondering why they weren't on the ice.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by howard_the_duck

Having a hard time pinpointing the defensive issues with this team.

Gio-Hamilton
Brodie-Hamonic
Kulak-Stone

How do you screw that up? That D core is the envy of 90% of the league and yet we can't figure out a system that tightens things up and limits mindless turnovers?

The forwards have to come back and help the defence. The gap between the d and forwards was too wide which allowed the Leafs free movement in the neutral zone. Too many god damned cherry pickers!

Do I get the job?

[Manhattanboy]

Originally Posted by CGY12

Being in Toronto I was forced to watch the game on the Leafs feed on tsn, and the 2 goofs (Ferraro and Miller) noticed the Flames number 1 line sitting for a long stretch in the 3rd, I think from the 15 min mark to about the 7/8 min mark. Did anybody notice this? I was wondering why they weren't on the ice.

If that’s the case I may be done with my season tickets. I hate GG right now. Want him fired.

[Major Major]

Originally Posted by savemedrzaius

That was one of the more structured games the Leafs have played all season.

Perfect road game.

I love watching Gaudreau when he picks up steam going through centre ice. He's legs move so fast it looks like he is dancing.

Just a few questions then I'm going to hangup and listen.

Do you believe that the leafs adjusted their structure to meet the flames style, or is this what Babcock has been going for since day 1?

When the leafs get structurally owned, does Babcock abandon the structure he's trying to put in place to fit what's happening in the game? Or does he stubbornly believe that his structure will win out in the long run?

When he does not make the proper in game adjustments or spark his team, is there a steady diet from the fanbase on how much he sucks?

[Beninho]

Originally Posted by CGY12

Being in Toronto I was forced to watch the game on the Leafs feed on tsn, and the 2 goofs (Ferraro and Miller) noticed the Flames number 1 line sitting for a long stretch in the 3rd, I think from the 15 min mark to about the 7/8 min mark. Did anybody notice this? I was wondering why they weren't on the ice.

It felt like Stajan, Brouwer, and Lazar were taking the longest shifts. GG has no idea how to limit ice time. Outside the PP and PK it seems like every line gets the same amount of ice time regardless what of the score, it's extremely stupid.

[Frank MetaMusil]

Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan

You mean he outmuscled him in a board battle and skated into the center of the ice where any number of other Flames could have stopped him? The whole point of the Flames defensive structure is to control the middle of the ice and limit plays in the high danger areas, yet the team failed to do so on that play. That can't be all on Gio because you won't always win every single board battle.

And comparing him to Bartkowski...come on now.

Alright. Captain and coach can't be criticized then. Who do I air the grievances against for this result? You tell me. Who is fair game?

[Vinny01]

Absolute brutal game to be at. As Flames fans we were completely outclassed by the Leaf fans imo. My section was full of Leafs fans and the go Leafs go chants were way louder than our go Flames Go chants.

Bad bounce on the first goal that has been a microcosm of Hamomics time as a Flame. The second pairing looked awful all game. The bottom 6 forwards were terrible. It is sad but the third line is all Jagr. They looked lost without him tonight and that is sad. Without Versteeg the 4th line was unplayable. Stajan, Lazar and Freddie are all useless waiver fodder.

The Leafs played a good road game and the Flames looked like a tired team Viking off a long road trip. Brutal game and horrible atomosphere at the Dome.

[zamler]

Originally Posted by Beninho

It felt like Stajan, Brouwer, and Lazar were taking the longest shifts Provo that GG has no idea how to limit ice time. Outside the PP and PK it seems like every line gets the same amount of ice time regardless the score, it's extremely stupid.

That's just how GG rolls he's the robot of the coaching world.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by SportsJunky

I’m not sure that’s true. The Leafs are winning at a pretty good clip and many of their guys are struggling offensively so far. Marner, Nylander, Komarov etc.

I don't really follow the Leafs at all, but I just can't imagine the Flames being able to win consistently with nothing at all from the bottom lines. I think what we're seeing from the Flames is all we can hope for with that kind of production from bottom 6. The 2nd line isn't really scoring either.

[JJFlash]

Originally Posted by bubbsy

thought they started pretty good.

bad turnover (hamonic/bennet) -> goal against
gio gets outmuscled on the PK, which had trouble making clean clears all night -> goal against.
andersson big stop on tkachuk

and then the wheels just fell off in the second. turnover after turnover, getting bottled in.

Glad to see they showed some life in the 3rd at least.

we can blame this on the "1st game back after long road trip excuse" but this team has played, what 1 or 2 solid end to end good games this season. Really disappointed.

flames better win these next 2, the saturday game at the very least, or i'm going to be very sad.

Wow... I have really under estimated Versteeg's contribution to the PP. it looked really dis jointed. They tried Janko for 30 seconds and then abondoned the experiment all together.

[Manhattanboy]

Originally Posted by Frank MetaMusil

Alright. Captain and coach can't be criticized then. Who do I air the grievances against for this result? You tell me. Who is fair game?

Who says coach can’t be crticized? He is terrible.

[memphusk]

Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan

I mean he did get beat off the wall on the 2nd goal, but where the hell were his teammates to help him out for once? The guy constantly covers up for his partner/teammates, and they can't do the same for him on one measly play?

No, if I'm Gio I'm ripping them for a lazy effort tonight. Way too many guys looked to be in 2nd gear. He's the leader...so lead in the dressing room as well as on the ice.

Makes me wonder when the last time he ripped someone was. Maybe the whole team is just tone deaf?

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Originally Posted by Frank MetaMusil

Alright. Captain and coach can't be criticized then. Who do I air the grievances against for this result? You tell me. Who is fair game?

Anyone not named Smith, Giordano, and maybe Hamonic. The coach is fair game tonight. They weren't ready and he didn't do enough between periods to get them on track.

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[skcli]

Glue Gun needs to change his hair style, I am tired of him.

[Press Level]

I blame Chiarelli.

[drewtastic]

Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan

I mean he did get beat off the wall on the 2nd goal, but where the hell were his teammates to help him out for once? The guy constantly covers up for his partner/teammates, and they can't do the same for him on one measly play?

No, if I'm Gio I'm ripping them for a lazy effort tonight. Way too many guys looked to be in 2nd gear. He's the leader...so lead in the dressing room as well as on the ice.

I think this is the exact problem, though. I don't think it's the team's style to "rip" on each other--which, ultimately, is a good thing.

But every so often, this is exactly what's needed--someone needs to get angry enough to create a culture change and demand that players commit to being better.

Along these lines, although I can't say I'm in the coaching detractors' camp, I question what role a coach has if it's not to get players to buy into a consistent defensive effort each night. This team simply does not commit to team defence. The Leafs' second goal is a good example of this: point man sneaks in from the blue line and the first one to challenge him is Backlund, because both wingers have gone to the exact same (opposite) side of the ice.

There have been far too many examples already this season of players covering absolutely no one in the defensive zone. So, at what point does the coaching staff have to lead the "rip" session?

Sometimes I fear that, because Gulutzan was brought in for being a "young player's coach" (especially relative to Hartley, or at least what we heard about players' complaints about him), the leash is too long. The carrot is good, but sometimes the stick needs to also be applied.

[Frank MetaMusil]

Originally Posted by Manhattanboy

Who says coach can’t be crticized? He is terrible.

I've done enough GG trashing, but I completely agree.

[Major Major]

Originally Posted by Beninho

It felt like Stajan, Brouwer, and Lazar were taking the longest shifts. GG has no idea how to limit ice time. Outside the PP and PK it seems like every line gets the same amount of ice time regardless what of the score, it's extremely stupid.

This is provably incorrect. So obviously so that I'm not even going to get that info for you. Top line was out plenty in the third. As was the third line who got rewarded for zone time and a goal.

Don't remember the 4th line out there once after the goal. People jumping onto your seem to remember non memory of things that didn't actually happen is a little disturbing to me.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Frank MetaMusil

I've done enough GG trashing, but I completely agree.

apparently not