2017/2018 Trade Speculation and Rumors

[Poe969]

I honestly don't see the issues with Kane, he's grown up a bit it seems and hasnt' been involved in anything like he was in the past. He's good on the ice and that's what matters. If they can trade for a guy like Kane or Neal and sign them to an extension (somehow) then I see it as more of an option.

I agree that they don't have many assets to deal for rentals so I agree that they may only go after some bottom 6 depth

[dissentowner]

I am really not a fan of giving up assets for a rental at the deadline, it almost always never works out in your favour.

[ForeverFlameFan]

Have we ever been a rental team?

1) I don't think we are competitive enough to make such a move
2) Treliving tends to make most of his moves during the offseason, and moves that will help our team in the long run, not just for 20 games + playoffs.

[Toonage]

Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan

Have we ever been a rental team?

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[foshizzle11]

Ya, I think our organization has tended to stay away from rentals. I would only take on a rental if we had a chance of resigning them after the season (ie they weren't like 35+ and finishing their career).

If BT can make a trade that helps us in the future then go for it. If someone is available that we don't have to give up too many assets than do it. (too many would be a few picks and/or a prospect).

[Toonage]

Rather than trade the assets at the deadline I would much rather see a host of black aces called up with a few getting into actual games. But that's months away.

[GioforPM]

I agree - no rentals. That said, Simmonds is signed for next year so not truly a rental. I'd much rather he was acquired now than at the deadline though, when the price will be stupid. In other words "it has to happen now to make sense".

Thing is - if you accept Ferland is now a fixture on the top line, the second line looks pretty good, I guess you are spending assets on a guy to take Bennett off of the third line. Bennett would be one of the assets I guess, but it'd be Bennett+ IMO. It seems like a pretty steep price to pay for 1.5 years of Simmonds.

[Poe969]

If you ask a Flames fan, Bennett for Simmonds is an overpayment. If you ask a Flyers fan, it's not nearly enough.

I do think he's decent option though as it's not purely a rental situation. As for the "third line" the team should be relying on the top 3 lines almost evenly or at least the second and third line evenly so IMO it doesn't matter what line he plays on providing he plays. Simmonds/Kane may be better options with Janko than Bennett is...now anyway.

[bubbsy]

Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan

Have we ever been a rental team?

1) I don't think we are competitive enough to make such a move
2) Treliving tends to make most of his moves during the offseason, and moves that will help our team in the long run, not just for 20 games + playoffs.

regarding point 2, if we look at the west, it's really wide open. When you consider that the ducks/sharks are definitely down a notch, and the potential for vegas to perhaps fall out of a spot, the flames could easily be setup for home ice against a decent first round matchup.

If the flames can figure out how to play defense, i could definitely see them surge into the division lead discussion, at which point management will have to at least consider taking part in the deadline arms race. I hate giving up assets to do so, but it really wouldn't shock me if it happens.

[ForeverFlameFan]

Originally Posted by bubbsy

regarding point 2, if we look at the west, it's really wide open. When you consider that the ducks/sharks are definitely down a notch, and the potential for vegas to perhaps fall out of a spot, the flames could easily be setup for home ice against a decent first round matchup.

If the flames can figure out how to play defense, i could definitely see them surge into the division lead discussion, at which point management will have to at least consider taking part in the deadline arms race. I hate giving up assets to do so, but it really wouldn't shock me if it happens.

Unless you guys are willing to give up one of our top D prospects for a rental, I don't see us making any moves. Why should we make a move if by the time we hit the TDL, we are the top team in the Pacific? Doesn't that mean that we are doing something right? As someone has mentioned, the rental moves usually don't work out. The last one I remember being a huge success was Gaborik for the Kings.

[united]

It's Dreger, so keep in mind he could have his own agenda, but:

Chris Nichols @NicholsOnHockey
Dreger:" I don't think that Brad Treliving is done yet in terms of trying to continue to add to that club." #Flames 1050
"I'm not exactly sure what sort of meddling he might be doing on their blueline, but that's the word on the street, that he'd be at least willing to consider some sort of tweak there." #Flames

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Poe969

If you ask a Flames fan, Bennett for Simmonds is an overpayment. If you ask a Flyers fan, it's not nearly enough.

I do think he's decent option though as it's not purely a rental situation. As for the "third line" the team should be relying on the top 3 lines almost evenly or at least the second and third line evenly so IMO it doesn't matter what line he plays on providing he plays. Simmonds/Kane may be better options with Janko than Bennett is...now anyway.

Simmonds is a pretty consistent goal scorer - hovers at 30 every year. Bennett is a very inconsistent guy who has potential. I guess the question is - would we trade a 29 year old 30 goal scorer for that iffy of a return? Would we have traded Hudler in 2014 when he had a couple years to go on his contract for Ryan Strome? Maybe - I don't know.

[sureLoss]

Originally Posted by united

It's Dreger, so keep in mind he could have his own agenda, but:

Chris Nichols @NicholsOnHockey
Dreger:" I don't think that Brad Treliving is done yet in terms of trying to continue to add to that club." #Flames 1050
"I'm not exactly sure what sort of meddling he might be doing on their blueline, but that's the word on the street, that he'd be at least willing to consider some sort of tweak there." #Flames

McKenzie also said the same thing a week ago on Vancouver radio. But McKenzie specifically mentioned upgrading the 3rd pairing.

[Toonage]

So there would seem to be a bit of smoke in that direction. Wonder what sort of "tweaking" there could be? Doubt we see any of the top 4 moving. Stone also seems pretty set (no pun intended).

So just a Bartkowski replacement? Someone to sit in the press box but provide a bit more consistency if/when called upon?

[Geeoff]

Originally Posted by Poe969

If you ask a Flames fan, Bennett for Simmonds is an overpayment. If you ask a Flyers fan, it's not nearly enough.

I do think he's decent option though as it's not purely a rental situation. As for the "third line" the team should be relying on the top 3 lines almost evenly or at least the second and third line evenly so IMO it doesn't matter what line he plays on providing he plays. Simmonds/Kane may be better options with Janko than Bennett is...now anyway.

Bennett for Simmonds doesn't work cap wise. I don't think Philly would take Brouwer. We'd definitely have to give up an additional asset to get them to take Stajan too. Seems like a bad fit, though if the Flames were to trade Bennett, I'd want it to be out east.

[Heavy Jack]

Not sure I see the need to tweak too much on the blue line if its just a 'tweak'

The top 5 are set unless they get traded and if one of them gets traded it won't be Stone or Hamonic which tells me the return from and loss of one of Gio, Hamilton and Brodie would be more than just a tweak.

Dreger is out to lunch on this one ~ this team needs to find a long term top right wing option as a primary need not to continue to tweak an already busy D corp and D prospect pool.

[ClubFlames]

Ian Cole is being shopped around by the Penguins.

http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/r...eman-ian-cole/

[Toonage]

This reminds me of a tweet I read this morning on TSN.ca about Vegas being interested in Cole from Pittsburgh. Why on Earth would Vegas want or need another defenseman?

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by Heavy Jack

Not sure I see the need to tweak too much on the blue line if its just a 'tweak'

The top 5 are set unless they get traded and if one of them gets traded it won't be Stone or Hamonic which tells me the return from and loss of one of Gio, Hamilton and Brodie would be more than just a tweak.

Dreger is out to lunch on this one ~ this team needs to find a long term top right wing option as a primary need not to continue to tweak an already busy D corp and D prospect pool.

It's both Dreger and McKenzie saying this. I think he wants a more stable LHD. I know folks love Kulak and he has been fine but at the end of the day I bet Treliving feels he needs "more" out that #3 LHD spot.

[ComixZone]

Not sure what else Ferland can do to prove he’s a top line RW. He has consistently improved his game from year to year, and is breaking out right before our eyes.

That’s his spot.

The only real roster spot that needs improvement is the 4th line. Play Kulak over Bartkowski, and the 3rd pairing is fine. Bennett-Jankowski-Jagr, since being put together have been an effective line. The 4th line is a damn trainwreck though. Brouwer and Stajan are not NHL players, and with how Gully handled 5v5 minutes, they’re getting regular shifts and it’s hurting the team.