2017 Grey Cup

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by tvp2003

I didn't much like the play call either but I disagree -- if a player fumbles its on the player, not the coach. If you hand it to Messam there's no guarantee he doesn't fumble it either. It's up to the players to execute and in this case Jorden failed to secure the ball and it resulted in the worst possible outcome for the Stamps.

That call is also not comparable to last year IMO -- big difference between 2nd and Goal on the 2 and 1st and Goal on the 9. DD made a mistake last year but I don't think you can put it on him this year.

I think the odds in the situation is to hand the ball off to Messam. Honestly Dickenson is the most by the book, generic play caller in the CFL but for whatever reason he totally goes off script in these situations. In a goal to go situation where a score of any type gives you a two possession lead and very high odds to win the game you feel comfortable handing it off to Messam or the receiver that almost lost the game last week with his drops? Would you start Lack in a do or die game when Smith is healthy? If no then you also put the ball in Messam's hands there as well as there's two players I don't want the ball near in that situation and that's Parker and Jorden.

[Rejean31]

Originally Posted by Mony

You can count me in. Won't be watching any Stamps football or CFL.

My mom had a brain aneurysm on Wednesday. Thought maybe this football team could let something go right in my life. Nope.

Sorry to hear that.

[tvp2003]

Originally Posted by DiracSpike

People calling for Dickensian head need to get real. I highly doubt that play called for a throw into double coverage. It was second and long, most people take a shot at the end zone and the kick the field goal on third. That pick is entirely on BLM trying to be the hero.
I do worry about this loss setting the franchise back, it's hard to get ppl to keep coming out to games in the summer we're we stomp these eastern conference teams just to lose to them three months later. Beyond frustrated right now

Henry Burris was analyzing the play after the game and thought that Bo was staring down the receiver wanting the home run. Since there was nobody else going deep on the wide side of the field, the safety was able to get into position for the pick.

This tells me two things: (1) Bo had other (less aggressive) options on the play that Dickenson called, and (2) Bo's execution -- or lack thereof -- resulted in the interception (not only did he throw into double coverage, he also threw a bit of a wobbly duck that didn't quite make it to Michel's outside shoulder, which is where it should have been thrown).

EDIT: Watching Bo's postgame interview, he said he saw the safety and wanted to throw it over the top but didn't get enough into it. I wonder if his shoulder injury was a factor...

[Frank MetaMusil]

Ok, defend Dickenson then. Let's lose a third GC in a row. The team is awesome, he just gets mindwiped for the title games.

[dash_pinched]

Man, I'm gutted by this loss, but not nearly as much as the Stamps players I imagine. I just would like to thank OzSome for all the game day threads this season, you put a lot of work into those and just wanted to express my thanks.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by kevman

Nobody else picking up on this post eh? This is 100% it to me lately. I grew up a Stamps fan. My folks have had season tickets for as long as I can remember. I used to go to every game in High School when they gave us our own seasons tickets. Doug Flutie was my childhood hero and I didn't miss a game in the Feterik years.

But I can't do it anymore. It's fun to catch a game live. But the sport lacks excitement form June through October. What's the point? Almost everyone is guaranteed a shot at the Grey Cup and the only games that matter are in November.

I'm not too upset about the Grey Cup - I didn't invest much time in it. I only watched one regular season game this year in it's entirety. Apathy has already hit me hard.

The 8-10 2001 Stampeders did what the 15-2-1 and 13-4-1 2016 & 2017 Stamps couldn't do - win in November. Same goes for the 2017 9-9 Argos and the 2017 8-9-1 RedBlacks. How does the CFL market an 18 game season when there are only 2-3 games that count?

As far as I'm concerned there are 20 preseason games in the CFL.

I didn't pick up on that post because I thought it was a ridiculous time to talk about regular season apathy minutes after getting your heart torn out in a championship game. But here I go anyway.

I don't disagree that 18 games is too long but hockey and basketball seasons are way too long also.

At some point, you have to enjoy the game and the experience and not just because every game is pivotal to whether your team wins a championship. For me, that's why I still follow the CFL and will try and go to a game in the summer when I visit home. I like the game. It's how many people feel about baseball. Your team is out of the playofsf with 100 games left in the season but people still go to the game.

The league does need to figure out how to attract younger fans, but making it harder to qualify for playoffs has nothing to do with that IMO.

[Cecil Terwilliger]

Originally Posted by ricosuave

https://mobile.twitter.com/BlueBombe...4562111688706?

I just saw this clip on TSN highlights. McDaniel was dogging it and probably could have tackled him on the cutback around the 10 yard line.

Funny that he was the guy ripping Jorden in the post game interview.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by browna

As I said earlier, I think the way BLM was throwing the ball all day, and on that drive with 2 completions and a drop on another great throw driving hem down the field, that he felt invincible a bit and decided to go for the knockout punch.

The last drive there is no question it was the right call.

If it went to overtime you are hoping your D holds Toronto to a field goal and the you end up with a 2nd and 10 from the 25 in OT. What do you do. The only difference is that you could be down a touchdown by then. So since going for OT just puts you back into the same situation and could be worse you take the shot before the end of the game.

Before the fumble up 8 is a little different but I don't think the play call in that situation is about Ball protection anymore than any other time in the game. Not to mention that the stats above show that Messem isn't going to be significantly more reliable.

DD is not at fault and didn't play risky. Levi under through a ball and Jordan failed to secure it. Poor execution by players.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by Mony

You can count me in. Won't be watching any Stamps football or CFL.

My mom had a brain aneurysm on Wednesday. Thought maybe this football team could let something go right in my life. Nope.

I am really sorry to hear that Mony.

[browna]

Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

@kevman


How does any league that have playoffs market the regular season?

It's supposed to be entertaining.

Playoffs are easier in cfl to make but aren't guaranteed and fighting for home field still means something.

Plus, unless you are advocating for a euro soccer style league where regular season winner is the GC winner, then your point is meaningless. Who cares if 2 or 4 or even all 9 make the playoffs or how many games they play if you feel like the regular season is meaningless and only playoffs matter?

Would you feel better if the Stamps and Argos both went straight to the GC and the Stamps lost this way?

What if it was Stamps and Bombers in a 1 division league with no playoffs? Would losing this way feel better because you played a better team?

At some point you need to be better in the big games. And if you can only be a fan for big games then you probably don't enjoy the sport.

That being said, lots of cities lose interest when they have perennially great teams who can't win it all. Atlanta Braves, Detroit Red Wings etc. For lots of cities the fans barely care unless they get to the final or championship game because they are so used to winning. I think hays because expectations ruin the experience of a fun regular season. When you're so used to those games being meaningless it becomes hard to cheer as hard as you once did as a fan.

The regular season needs to matter for fans and thus for the league.

The talk about moving up the schedule and the GC is part of that conversation already and had been identified by the new commish to make it more fan or tv friendly. However that can be done by still starting in July and cutting 3 or 4 games and making each regular season game that much more important.

Make it one division. Only the top 3 make it into the playoffs. Winner of the season automatically gets into GC. Other two play to meet that team. Puts a lot more emphasis on the regular season for fans and players. Best team gets rewarded with a week off and a one gamer to get a title. The other two teams are a half step below but still good teams and have earned it.

Doesn’t mean the Stamps come out any better tonight or last year but at least it makes the regular season more interesting as a casual fan.

Will never happen because of loss of 2 home games per team revenue, 3 less playoff games but that’s what I’d like to see.

NHL in a 21 team league prior to the early 90s was almost the same, where sad sack teams made the playoffs, with 16/21 teams in. Devalued the regular season then and there too.

[kevman]

Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

How does any league that have playoffs market the regular season?

I don't know. I never said I had the answer. I do know I'm not alone on this. The CFL is a tough sell. I think it's a better game than the NFL but look how many Canadians would rather watch the NFL.

I think 4 teams in the playoffs is a good start. Less games would help too. Neither of these would help with the Stamps recent choking but it would help other teams maintain interest. More teams would obviously help but that's easier said than done. I didn't know about the euro soccer leagues. That's an interesting idea.

[Johnny Makarov]

The only good thing, actually great thing is that we didnt' play the Riders tonight.

Thank you Ricky Ray. You are the 2nd greatest QB of all time.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Bad teams winning championships is a problem for any league and somewhat unique to the CFL. Though not saying that applies to the Argos. Certainly applies to Ottawa. Is there any other league where bad teams win it all on a semi regular basis?

[dirk diggler]

Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

I just saw this clip on TSN highlights. McDaniel was dogging it and probably could have tackled him on the cutback around the 10 yard line.

Funny that he was the guy ripping Jorden in the post game interview.

as i said before, if the QB was Reilly, he would have run through a wall to tackle him, same with a guy like Singleton if he was on the field, he would have run his tail off. too many guys standing around did not help.

[dirk diggler]

Originally Posted by Johnny Makarov

The only good thing, actually great thing is that we didnt' play the Riders tonight.

Thank you Ricky Ray. You are the 2nd greatest QB of all time.

agreed, the thought of losing to that team and those fans is pretty sickening

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by dash_pinched

Man, I'm gutted by this loss, but not nearly as much as the Stamps players I imagine. I just would like to thank OzSome for all the game day threads this season, you put a lot of work into those and just wanted to express my thanks.

And the thing is today most of them deserved to win
Would be really hard to swallow losing basically because of one really really bad play by one guy.

[dirk diggler]

Originally Posted by Wild GM

Bad teams winning championships is a problem for any league and somewhat unique to the CFL. Though not saying that applies to the Argos. Certainly applies to Ottawa. Is there any other league where bad teams win it all on a semi regular basis?

not sure what you can do? they wont cut the teams that make the playoffs because of revenue. make them play their 2nd stringer?
lol

[Cecil Terwilliger]

Originally Posted by Wild GM

Bad teams winning championships is a problem for any league and somewhat unique to the CFL. Though not saying that applies to the Argos. Certainly applies to Ottawa. Is there any other league where bad teams win it all on a semi regular basis?

I would argue it is a problem in the NHL. That's as much to do with the change in reffing as it is the format though.

When was the last time we had multiple presidents trophy winners win consecutive cups? When's the last time the best team in each conference even played in the finals? It's like every year a 6-8 seed makes it. They don't often win but it cheapens the regular season just as much when mediocre teams make the finals or even conference finals.

Problem is the league doesn't mind. Helps the middling teams maintain strong attendance and interest late in the season.

I wonder how the nfl and MLB would react if the second wild card teams were consistently making the Super Bowl and World Series.

[3rd liner]

Originally Posted by Johnny Makarov

The only good thing, actually great thing is that we didnt' play the Riders tonight.

Thank you Ricky Ray. You are the 2nd greatest QB of all time.

Yes. Other silver linings here
1) We beat Edmonton last week. That is our own grey cup.
2) Shania Twain's cleavage.

I'm a glass half-full kind of guy.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by Wild GM

Bad teams winning championships is a problem for any league and somewhat unique to the CFL. Though not saying that applies to the Argos. Certainly applies to Ottawa. Is there any other league where bad teams win it all on a semi regular basis?

Baseball wild card teams win the World Series sometimes and 100+ win teams get knocked out.

Its the CFL. Its a 9 team league. It a championship game sometimes played in the snow. The level of preparation and attention to detail is so many miles from the NFL that you have much greater dependence on luck and catching the hot hand than what we are conditioned to see.

If you are looking for reasons why younger fans aren't following the CFL as much as needed, you are barking up the wrong tree IMO.

Were you less satisfied with the Crandell Grey Cup win than other Stamps wins?