2017/2018 Trade Speculation and Rumors

[Husky]

Top 6 for flames is very good. They are not struggling. Itsthe bottom 6.

Time to bring up a young guy or two for a look and give some vets a seat. For now.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by united

Friedman | The rumors are crazy in Montreal
https://www.fanragsports.com/friedma...y-in-montreal/

“I think with Carey Price, I think there’s a different dynamic at play here,” considered Friedman. “And that is – if you guys know Montreal at all, there is another level to what goes on in Montreal. And that is when things go badly, it doesn’t necessarily become about on-ice, it becomes off-ice. The rumors are crazy in Montreal. And we’ve seen a couple of cases where Galchenyuk, what he might be going through was brought up on the air. Some rumors about Price’s family were brought up on the air.

“If you told me that Carey Price told the Montreal Canadiens he wants out of there, I would believe it 100 percent. If Carey Price is getting traded, I’m not sure it’s a hockey reason. I think it’s an ‘I’m sick of this B.S.’ reason.

“When his wife has to go on Instagram and say everything is okay, I know if that was me I’d be furious. I don’t tag my wife in social media. I don’t ever tweet at her. I don’t want people out there knowing who I’m married to. I just don’t need her getting that stuff.

“With Price, if he ever said, ‘I want to go,’ I couldn’t blame him.”

Will be interesting to see what happens with Price.

On one hand he's been terrible this season, he's currently injured, and starting next season eats up $10.5 million of cap space. Plus if you trade for him you are also giving up assets to get him. On top of all that, he's got a full NMC.

On the other hand it's Carey freaking Price.

I imagine if he OK's a trade it will have to be somewhere he and his family can have some anonymity. I also would bet on him ending up out West if he does move. It's where he and his wife are from, and no way would the Habs want him out East.

I could see Chiarelli taking a swing at it if he hits the trade market, hopefully that doesn't happen. Hopefully Price would refuse any trade to Edmonton.

[Erick Estrada]

Even though I think he will bounce back, that contract is kind of frightening as we consider Mike Smith on the old side and he's still only 35 and the Price contract carries a $10.5 million cap hit up to 38 years old. That's a lot of risk for any team that would be interested and you would have to be a team like the Kings a few years back going all in to win now and accept that tough times would follow once key players hit the wrong side of their prime.

[Tinordi]

I'd venture to say that Price's contract makes him immovable or that Montreal would have to package other pieces of value in order to trade him.

That contract is terrible. I can't see a team in the league being able to fit it into their cap structure.

[Roof-Daddy]

The thing with Price though, is that he's a massive difference maker and worth every penny of that cap hit IF he can continue the level of play we've seen from him the previous 4 seasons.

With him playing at that level the Habs were a 100+ point top 5 team in the league, without him they were an 80~ point team and picking top 5 at the draft.

Imagine having a goalie like that on an actual contending team.

[Poe969]

price has a huge contract but teams would find a way to make it work. If he asks for a trade, there will be a line up of teams. Price's contract isn't bad, it's just big.

How funny would it be if he ended up on the Avs.

[Harry Lime]

The Habs are aware that they need to rebuild, and for the next 2 or 3 years, price stealing two dozen games hinders that.

I think he gets moved. I also think that vancouver is a player in that trade. Starts with an unprotected 1st, a couple of 'b' prospects and their best goalie.

Price would waive to go home.

[Tinordi]

How many cup final teams have the goalie as their highest paid player?

We haven't seen that as a model for success in the modern NHL. The bottom line is that the line between the best and worst goalie in the league is not that long. Yes you need good goaltending but great goaltending doesn't appear to pay off because it comes at the cost of money you could have spent on other players.

Think about it in economic terms. What's the marginal impact of a dollar spent over the mean talent level for a goal, forward or d-man? I would say its lowest for the goalie.

Further, goalie peaks are in their 20s. Price is almost certainly "post-apex" this season does nothing to prove otherwise and does ask questions about just how post-apex he is. It's not out of the realm of possibility that the wheels could totally fall off midway through the contract.

No team is going to pay a premium to take on any of those risks. Montreal is stuck with him unless they sell him off at pennies on the dollar.

[Oling_Roachinen]

It's 10 games, but that 0.877 is extremely worrisome considering his 10.5M contract that goes until he is 39 hasn't even kicked in. At the same time, when your wife needs to go online to say you aren't getting a divorce, you know you're in a toxic environment so maybe a change of scenery is all he needs.

I'm sure if the Habs wanted to they could easily move him (if he agreed) but I'm just too hesitant on goalies.

[The Fonz]

I have no idea what Price returns in a trade... that contract sure complicates his value.

If a package around Parsons (with salary headed Montreal's way) could get Price into a Flames uniform, I'd do it in a heartbeat.

[Harry Lime]

I've been hearing the hockey players peak at 21 thing for a while. Usually that is based entirely on point totals, as balance and the defensive game takes a while to learn at the nhl level.

Goalies, I've never heard the peak being anything before 28-30. Most of goaltending is between the ears.

[Ashasx]

I don't think a team can consistently compete with a goaltender making that much money.

[Tinordi]

Originally Posted by Harry Lime

I've been hearing the hockey players peak at 21 thing for a while. Usually that is based entirely on point totals, as balance and the defensive game takes a while to learn at the nhl level.

Goalies, I've never heard the peak being anything before 28-30. Most of goaltending is between the ears.

What I've been reading is that goalie peak is around 26 years old.

Goalies have a longer tail, can be more competitive later in their career but they top performance is in their mid-20s.

[omelete]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

I don't think a team can consistently compete with a goaltender making that much money.

The only way I could see it working is if we're talking about an exceptionally rare situation. Someone like Hasek in his prime might be worth that kind of money in today's league. Even the Price of the last few seasons might be worth it. But to have a goalie making that kind of money long-term seems like a recipe for disaster.

[Poe969]

If he's traded, I hope he's traded to a stronger team in the west. They would have to give up a lot to get him and they wouldn't be able to add too many good players to the team because of his contract.

The only way a Price trade works is if the habs retain salary, that would hurt them long term(which isn't bad) and the team picking him up would likely have to give even more up for him.

[VilleN]

I hope Edmonton trades for him. 31.5m tied up in just 3 players.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Tinordi

Further, goalie peaks are in their 20s. Price is almost certainly "post-apex" this season does nothing to prove otherwise and does ask questions about just how post-apex he is. It's not out of the realm of possibility that the wheels could totally fall off midway through the contract.

I disagree, goalies actually peak much later than other positions. Providing he stays healthy there is no reason to believe Price still won't provide exceptional goaltending at the end of that deal. That being said that is a huge amount of cap hit for a goalie.

[Vinny01]

Habs fan on HF proposed Price to the Flames for Smith, Monahan, 1st

Personally I think a Price trade would look closer to the deal the Leafs and Sens did for Phaneuf where Montreal finds a team to take on that whole contract and gets a mediocre package of serviceable players and maybe a 2nd rounder

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Habs fan on HF proposed Price to the Flames for Smith, Monahan, 1st

Personally I think a Price trade would look closer to the deal the Leafs and Sens did for Phaneuf where Montreal finds a team to take on that whole contract and gets a mediocre package of serviceable players and maybe a 2nd rounder

If Price gets dealt, Habs fans will be in for a rude awakening if they think they will get a package like that for Price.

[icecube]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Habs fan on HF proposed Price to the Flames for Smith, Monahan, 1st

Personally I think a Price trade would look closer to the deal the Leafs and Sens did for Phaneuf where Montreal finds a team to take on that whole contract and gets a mediocre package of serviceable players and maybe a 2nd rounder

It would absolutely be the latter. Nobody wants to pay 10.5 mill for a goalie his age unless they're getting a bargain.