Las Vegas Shooting: 50+ Dead 500+ Injured at Jason Aldean Concert

[northcrunk]

Originally Posted by Lubicon

I was surprised to see that he fired ~200 shots down the hallway of the Mandalay if I am understanding the video correctly. That would likely have played a large part in how the police responded.

Did the police have to wait for clearance from Mandalay Bay before responding? I've seen that a couple places.

[speede5]

Originally Posted by northcrunk

Why was Campos allowed to go to Mexico right after the shooting? Wouldn't he be too injured taking a bullet from a high powered rifle? Wouldn't that have shattered his leg?

http://nypost.com/2017/10/26/jesus-c...egas-massacre/

Why wouldn't he be allowed to travel? That article is awesome, let's spend our time making victims look guilty. Must be handy having a mexican with a bullet wound to get the attention away from the white guy with his finger on the trigger.

Maybe he wanted to go see family after the most traumatic event in his life. Just like thousands of other victims.

[calgaryblood]

Originally Posted by northcrunk

Why was Campos allowed to go to Mexico right after the shooting? Wouldn't he be too injured taking a bullet from a high powered rifle? Wouldn't that have shattered his leg?

http://nypost.com/2017/10/26/jesus-c...egas-massacre/

What do you mean by "allowed"? He can do whatever the hell he wants and we don't know the extent of his injuries, it's possible he just got a superficial wound to the leg.

What a weird post.

[troutman]

I thought this could happen. The ramifications may be far-reaching - who will put on large outdoor events in the future?

Las Vegas Shooting Victims Sue Hotel, Concert Promoters

Mandalay Bay, MGM Resorts International, Live Nation named in latest lawsuits

http://www.rollingstone.com/music/ne...moters-w512339

[Wormius]

Originally Posted by troutman

I thought this could happen. The ramifications may be far-reaching - who will put on large outdoor events in the future?

Las Vegas Shooting Victims Sue Hotel, Concert Promoters

Mandalay Bay, MGM Resorts International, Live Nation named in latest lawsuits

http://www.rollingstone.com/music/ne...moters-w512339

The lawsuits seem misplaced. Wouldn't they be better off suing the State of Nevada and the NRA? It would seem to me that they're responsible for giving the concert promoters and the hotel the false sense of security that this would never happen.

[Itse]

Originally Posted by troutman

I thought this could happen. The ramifications may be far-reaching - who will put on large outdoor events in the future?

Las Vegas Shooting Victims Sue Hotel, Concert Promoters

Mandalay Bay, MGM Resorts International, Live Nation named in latest lawsuits

http://www.rollingstone.com/music/ne...moters-w512339

Good. When gun violence starts to disturb other businesses, they will at some point start lobbying for gun control, and that will have a lot more effect than popular opinion. (Sadly, but that's how the system works.)

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by Itse

Good. When gun violence starts to disturb other businesses, they will at some point start lobbying for gun control, and that will have a lot more effect than popular opinion. (Sadly, but that's how the system works.)

Couldn't agree more. Going to be really interesting to see how much insurance policies increase for live events.

[Resolute 14]

I'm honestly not seeing how this lawsuit prevails. Screams more of lawyers looking to make a quick buck on backs of grieving families, which is as common in the US as gun violence is.

[Weitz]

Originally Posted by rubecube

Couldn't agree more. Going to be really interesting to see how much insurance policies increase for live events.

Yah you’re right. Let’s punish those who had no responsibility for what happened. That’s the way to make the world a better place.

[scotty2hotty]

Originally Posted by Weitz

Yah you’re right. Let’s punish those who had no responsibility for what happened. That’s the way to make the world a better place.

Perhaps that is the point?

The US has continually shown that it really doesn't care about these atrocities.

What happens when it starts affecting EVERYONE'S wallet?

At the very least, it will be interesting.

[Weitz]

Originally Posted by scotty2hotty

Perhaps that is the point?

The US has continually shown that it really doesn't care about these atrocities.

What happens when it starts affecting EVERYONE'S wallet?

At the very least, it will be interesting.

Except you will just end up with no public events and the same rampant gun culture.

Won’t solve a thing.

[scotty2hotty]

Originally Posted by Weitz

Except you will just end up with no public events and the same rampant gun culture.

Won’t solve a thing.

Good.

The only things Americans love more than guns is freedom and money. Keep chipping away at the things people care about until it hurts too much to ignore.

[Mr.Coffee]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

I'm honestly not seeing how this lawsuit prevails. Screams more of lawyers looking to make a quick buck on backs of grieving families, which is as common in the US as gun violence is.

the suit per the article claims that the hotel breached its duty of care by not realizing this guy was stacking so many guns in his hotel room.

I'm not sure I agree with this thought process and also, what are the implications? Rigorous security now to enter a hotel? That would suck..

[Wormius]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

the suit per the article claims that the hotel breached its duty of care by not realizing this guy was stacking so many guns in his hotel room.

Would that conflict with whatever the state’s regulations are? Are people in Nevada not allowed to stockpile guns in hotel rooms?

[Northendzone]

I have wondered if anyone from housekeeping entered his room after the weapons were stockpiled in there. or did he hang ethe do not disturb sign on the door?

if they did enter his room, did they not think to say anything? or would they have thought nothing of it because it is vegas? for all I know the stuff was in plain crates.

I would think video must exsist of him hauling stuff up to his room.

i'd imagine tit will be a decade or so before this is settled one way or the other. it will be interesting to see if this has any effect on public gatherings where there is a nearby high point in the short term.

[CroFlames]

Originally Posted by Northendzone

I have wondered if anyone from housekeeping entered his room after the weapons were stockpiled in there. or did he hang ethe do not disturb sign on the door?

if they did enter his room, did they not think to say anything? or would they have thought nothing of it because it is vegas? for all I know the stuff was in plain crates.

I would think video must exsist of him hauling stuff up to his room.

i'd imagine tit will be a decade or so before this is settled one way or the other. it will be interesting to see if this has any effect on public gatherings where there is a nearby high point in the short term.

I've been on golf trips to Vegas wherein I've taken my golf bag up and down from the room multiple times during the week. And dragged it through the casino.

Instead of golf clubs, it could have been AKs or ARs. No one would be the wiser. I always throw the do not disturb sign up if I'm on a trip that is 3 or less days.

THE HOTEL IS NOT AT FAULT HERE.

[OMG!WTF!]

Would that conflict with whatever the state’s regulations are? Are people in Nevada not allowed to stockpile guns in hotel rooms?

Yer gerd derm right they are. However hotels can have whatever rules they want; there's a lot of talk about metal detectors in Vegas now. So I would imagine had they known there was an arsenal amassed on the 32nd floor they might have asked him to leave. Even a cursory check by hotel security might have prevented him from following through with his plan. But who knows? Vegas is pretty concerned about not appearing concerned.

[rayne008]

Did the shooting timeline ever get sorted out? Was the security guard shot before or after the massacre started? There still seems to be a lot of questions left unanswered.

[Wormius]

Originally Posted by OMG!WTF!

Yer gerd derm right they are. However hotels can have whatever rules they want; there's a lot of talk about metal detectors in Vegas now. So I would imagine had they known there was an arsenal amassed on the 32nd floor they might have asked him to leave. Even a cursory check by hotel security might have prevented him from following through with his plan. But who knows? Vegas is pretty concerned about not appearing concerned.

Yeah. I mean, obviously if the hotel did something the massacre might not have happened or to the extent it did - but I could just foresee if the hotel told him to get out, they would have the wrath of the NRA come down on the hotel for violating his something or other.

[llwhiteoutll]

Originally Posted by Wormius

Yeah. I mean, obviously if the hotel did something the massacre might not have happened or to the extent it did - but I could just foresee if the hotel told him to get out, they would have the wrath of the NRA come down on the hotel for violating his something or other.

NRA aside, if there was even the hint that a major Vegas hotel was having security or housekeeping go through guest possessions and either advising authorities on what they found or asking people to leave the premesis based on what was found, it would be the end of that hotel.

No one is going to stay at a hotel that, as a matter of policy, enters your room when you are not there and rummages through your stuff.

Will be interesting to see if they follow though on metal detectors, considering the volume of people they would need to screen and hand search every single day. Having what would effectively be airport style security and a long wait to get into a casino or hotel would be a logistical nightmare