Monahan and Gaudreau areally at the ages where they likely could both have the best scoring seasons of their careers. They already have a year under their belts making bigger money, so they likely are not feeling the pressure they did last year. Gaudreau scored at a 100 plus point pace at home two years ago. I'm excited to see what they can do.
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I think I kinda get this. He's a big body but doesn't get involved at all physically and doesn't scrum along the boards. He isn't electric like Johnny or a s...disturber like Tkachuk.
All he does is get open, pull the trigger and score. He's boring.
But maybe that's all we need him to do. And he's good at it.
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I think I kinda get this. He's a big body but doesn't get involved at all physically and doesn't scrum along the boards. He isn't electric like Johnny or a s...disturber like Tkachuk.
All he does is get open, pull the trigger and score. He's boring.
But maybe that's all we need him to do. And he's good at it.
So in order for him to be considered a #1C for Flames fans, he needs to be as flashy as Johnny or Kane, be as strong as Bergeron defensively, be rough and tumble like Ott, score as much as Ovechkin and be a playmaker like Crosby. Oh, and don't forget he better have leadership intangibles as well.
Otherwise he's just not good enough.
Ok.
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So in order for him to be considered a #1C for Flames fans, he needs to be as flashy as Johnny or Kane, be as strong as Bergeron defensively, be rough and tumble like Ott, score as much as Ovechkin and be a playmaker like Crosby. Oh, and don't forget he better have leadership intangibles as well.
Otherwise he's just not good enough.
Ok.
All those things would just contribute to overrating him even more!
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So in order for him to be considered a #1C for Flames fans, he needs to be as flashy as Johnny or Kane, be as strong as Bergeron defensively, be rough and tumble like Ott, score as much as Ovechkin and be a playmaker like Crosby. Oh, and don't forget he better have leadership intangibles as well.
Otherwise he's just not good enough.
Ok.
I never took his post that way.
I took it to mean he has a knack for being at the right place without doing all the flashy stuff. That's good enough for me.
He doesn't have to get banged up like Nieuwendyk to be an effective player for the Flames. I don't think he will be the overall player like Nieuwendyk, few are, but he has the hands and the nose to be in the right place at the right time. His hockey IQ is exceptional.
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I think I kinda get this. He's a big body but doesn't get involved at all physically and doesn't scrum along the boards. He isn't electric like Johnny or a s...disturber like Tkachuk.
All he does is get open, pull the trigger and score. He's boring.
But maybe that's all we need him to do. And he's good at it.
Agreed. He is a solid player and an elite finisher, but I just have a hard time grouping him with the elite centers in the league due to the fact that he is quite one dimensional (with that one dimension being goalscoring). He's not great defensively, can't carry the puck, average passer and stickhandler, not all that physical or fast, but his shot is off the charts. He's a player that knows his role, sticks to it and excels. And there is absolutely nothing wrong with that.
Agreed. He is a solid player and an elite finisher, but I just have a hard time grouping him with the elite centers in the league due to the fact that he is quite one dimensional (with that one dimension being goalscoring). He's not great defensively, can't carry the puck, average passer and stickhandler, not all that physical or fast, but his shot is off the charts. He's a player that knows his role, sticks to it and excels. And there is absolutely nothing wrong with that.
Except that goal scoring is probably the one skill that if you have it, you do not necessarily need to be exceptional at anything else to be "elite" or close to it. Scoring goals is the name of the game, and as long as you aren't costing your team on the defensive side of the puck, you will be in a small group of players in the league if you can score at a 30 or 40 goal pace.
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Except that goal scoring is probably the one skill that if you have it, you do not necessarily need to be exceptional at anything else to be "elite" or close to it. Scoring goals is the name of the game, and as long as you aren't costing your team on the defensive side of the puck, you will be in a small group of players in the league if you can score at a 30 or 40 goal pace.
And he's not costing the Flames in any other department. How many times do you hear that Monahan coughed up the puck, made a bad pass that was intercepted, etc. You don't.
And he is pretty good on the face off dot as well, again not as good as Nieuwendyk, but more than adequate.
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Agreed. He is a solid player and an elite finisher, but I just have a hard time grouping him with the elite centers in the league due to the fact that he is quite one dimensional (with that one dimension being goalscoring). He's not great defensively, can't carry the puck, average passer and stickhandler, not all that physical or fast, but his shot is off the charts. He's a player that knows his role, sticks to it and excels. And there is absolutely nothing wrong with that.
Right. Monahan is really good at taking advantage of defensive breakdowns. But I think he's poor at creating defensive breakdown. Maybe it's not an issue with Gaudreau and even Ferland on his line, but I do think it keeps Monahan from being the caliber of player referred to as a 1C. Most number one centers in the league are either the primary creator of their line (Kuznetsov, Malkin, Crosby, Stamkos, Tavares, McDavid, Matthews, Thornton, Getzlaf, Eichel, Seguin) or strong as complete two way players (Bergeron, Toews) or Both(Kopitar, Barkov, Zetterberg). I just don't think Monahan is either of these tiers.
I do think Monahan has himself in the same conversation as Scheifele and Draisaitl ghough as a guy who produces successfully with play driving wingers. Which is fine... I liken these guys to Vincent LeCavalier who won a Rocket Richard trophy but saw the most team success with Brad Richards ahead of him on the depth chart.
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So you are saying that CPers don't know how great Monahan is and expect more out of him and everyone else in the league wants him just as he is (ie think he is great).
Well, there is a reason I got a Monahan jersey a couple season ago. He is exactly what this team has needed for years and years. A guy who can play big minutes, isn't super flashy but can finish and has a good two way game. Johnny and Monahan suite each other perfectly.
I would love to see Monahan be a bit bigger (a bigger presence), hit more, get into scrums more. One day I think we will see him play regularly with Tkakuck and be forced to get more emotional and I think it will help his game. However, I believe if this happens it can't be with Johnny on his line as he would get owned in the scrums after whistles and we don't need him getting hurt.
He is who is is going to be, I don't see him changing his game much to be honest, it is working so why change it to drastically?
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Monahan probably makes a lot of other team's players look at each other after the goal and go "Wait, wasn't that your guy?"
In his 5 seasons with the flames no post has summed him up better than this. I love your ATL reports but this is something i wish i could "thank" several times.
So you are saying that CPers don't know how great Monahan is and expect more out of him and everyone else in the league wants him just as he is (ie think he is great).
Well, there is a reason I got a Monahan jersey a couple season ago. He is exactly what this team has needed for years and years. A guy who can play big minutes, isn't super flashy but can finish and has a good two way game. Johnny and Monahan suite each other perfectly.
I would love to see Monahan be a bit bigger (a bigger presence), hit more, get into scrums more. One day I think we will see him play regularly with Tkakuck and be forced to get more emotional and I think it will help his game. However, I believe if this happens it can't be with Johnny on his line as he would get owned in the scrums after whistles and we don't need him getting hurt.
He is who is is going to be, I don't see him changing his game much to be honest, it is working so why change it to drastically?
This, let him play within his strengths, not outside of them.
Sometimes people overthink and want a player to add something more to their toolbox without considering that it might be a detriment to what is already in that player's toolbox.
Case in point, Brodie. He just does not look comfortable playing a wing that he never played before. He also does not look comfortable playing with Hamonic.
Why break up Gio and Brodie, our best defensive pairing from two years ago? I think Brodie looked much better playing with Gio than Dougie does. I know, some think that we signed Dougie to be the up and coming big defenseman we have been hoping for and we signed him to a big contract so put him on the top line. I don't think Dougie has consistently earned that top defense pairing.
Another case in point...automatically thinking that Jokinen and Iggie would click and be a dynamic pairing. Not so.
Sometimes things that look good on paper don't always equate to results on the ice. Let the player play to their strengths and don't try to force square pegs into round holes.
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but I do think it keeps Monahan from being the caliber of player referred to as a 1C.
Your problem (when you beat this drum as often as you do) is he *is* a 1C and to suggest otherwise is asinine.
No one here cares what your bent definition of the term is, and the problem is you and a few others here insist on constantly trying to knock him down a peg in any discussion where it comes up. Both you and Love have made comments of the "this team will be hard pressed to win it all with Monahan" variety.
The kid's a stud. He's better on defense than you're making him out to be, and still very much improving at his young age.
The thing he does very well is far and away the greatest measure of success in general. Not only does he score goals, he scores big goals at clutch times.
We'll be just fine with him in the 1C spot moving forward as he continues to improve all the while scoring big goals at an elite pace.
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