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Old 11-16-2017, 04:53 PM   #61
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It does? Show us that rule.
The rule that says you cant attempt to spear an opponent that isnt on the ice?

Are you seriously asking for that?
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Old 11-16-2017, 05:05 PM   #62
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In the rules/cba there is an automatic fine of $100 for a misconduct and $200 for a game misconduct.

http://www.nhl.com/ice/page.htm?id=24977

IMO the hearing is so they can fine him an an amount that he can't pull out of his pocket or find in his center console of his car at any given time.

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Old 11-16-2017, 05:12 PM   #63
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To be clear, the NHL rulebook penalizes spearing even if you don't make contact. It is a double minor for non contact, a major for contact, and a match if it results in injury.
So I guess, also by letter of law, Tkachuk 'speared' him.
Unless your name is Sid

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Watch the video.....Travis get jumped briefly by 2 guys ffs... What the league sees ????? WTF???
That tap attempt by Tkachuk isn't even close to being a spear, attempt to spear , premeditated attempt blah blah blah.
How the hell this got blown so far out of proportion is wow.....stupid.
The wings did allot more and got away with everything imo.

Department of player safety you are such a joke.

I hope Ferland, Tkachuk and Brouwer get lined up against these guys next game for a discussion and we see what happens.

All in all I hope this incident gets the boys bonded for the remainder of the year because they needed this to happen.
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Old 11-16-2017, 05:42 PM   #65
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My guess is that Tkachuk gets two games since he made contact with a player off the ice. On the ice it would have been a 2 minute penalty.
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Old 11-16-2017, 05:52 PM   #66
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They should suspend the refs from last night.
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Old 11-16-2017, 05:55 PM   #67
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My guess is that Tkachuk gets two games since he made contact with a player off the ice. On the ice it would have been a 2 minute penalty.
I could see that too if the NHL is intent on throwing the book at him. However, by that standard, shouldn't they then have to do something about Mantha? It may have started on the ice, but it didn't stop once they were off the ice, and he didn't stop once the linesman was trying to break it up.

Yeah, I can see how they look at Tkachuk as the spark causing that explosion, but IMO, Witkowski was already a 5 alarm blaze going nuts.

It was Mantha and Witkowski that I think did things out of line, putting other players in danger and embarrassing the NHL. I guess goading someone into doing something stupid is worse than getting on top of a prone player and feed him punches until you get tired.

(sorry, not arguing with you... just a bit bitter that Mantha didn't receive a thing).
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Old 11-16-2017, 05:58 PM   #68
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Lol Mantha doesn't get a hearing because he plays for an original 6 team, if it was Tkachuk instead of Mantha he'd get 5 for it without a doubt.Albeit a top 6 team that can't even sell out more than half their stadium.
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My guess is that Tkachuk gets two games since he made contact with a player off the ice. On the ice it would have been a 2 minute penalty.
That would apply to Mantha as well, he made contact with Hamonic's face off the ice. I don't see any significant foul on this play, my guess is its a fine and lecture for MT.
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Old 11-16-2017, 06:05 PM   #70
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I would be on board with Tkachuk getting a suspension...if Corey Perry would have gotten one in game 2 (?) last playoffs where he started punching players on the Flames' bench and then the Ducks scored. No suspension. No penalty. No misconduct on that play.

What Tkachuk did, it wasn't a spear. But you still can't touch other player on his bench intentionally, which is exactly what Tkachuk did. Witkowski was on the bench, not on the ice when his stick hit him. I wouldn't be surprised with a fine and possibly a 1 game suspension.

Hard to say, but the result will be interesting. I expect at the very least a fine. Still I'm glad that meat head got suspended. He'll feel it in his pocket book more then most players.
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Old 11-16-2017, 06:30 PM   #71
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It wasn't even a spear, he was trying to trip him if anything. He hit him so lightly that even with his foot having no weight on it and being in the air, it didn't even more lol.
I personally don't think that tap is the spearing penalty, I think it's the second spear he did in the crowd afterward before he lost his stick.

That was the one I noticed but the announcers went on about the tap to his skate and since then the focus seems to be on that. Now I don't think the other spear is much worse but he did make a "second" spearing motion
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Old 11-16-2017, 06:41 PM   #72
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Anyone who thinks the Wings are getting a 10 gamer and the Flames are getting nothing must be new. Prepare to be outraged. We thought we were getting a pp and ended up with a 5 min pk.
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I’m expecting a fine. It would be an in-person hearing if it was going to be a suspension. Can’t think of a time they suspended over the phone?
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I’m expecting a fine. It would be an in-person hearing if it was going to be a suspension. Can’t think of a time they suspended over the phone?
Anything 5 and under is a phone hearing IIRC.

Anything possibly over 5 is in person.
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Old 11-16-2017, 07:03 PM   #75
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Without Mike Illitch at the helm, the Wings don’t have that league office goodwill anymore. 10 years ago with Illitch there and hands on as he was, that’s 0 games as far as a suspension, with some weak excuse about having the linesman have the player move to the bench to prevent further issues, but not officially on the bench, so him jumping back on the ice was less offensive.... or something like that.

But, because the league struggled so mightily with following their own rule book in this case, expect MT to get a harshly unfair sentence to even things up a bit.

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Old 11-16-2017, 07:07 PM   #76
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I could see a fine for Tkachuk, but a hearing? That’s ridiculous.
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Old 11-16-2017, 07:08 PM   #77
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Someone should gif the “spear” for this thread
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Old 11-16-2017, 07:15 PM   #78
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Doesn't seem like the hearing is specifically for a spear.

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Doesn't seem like the hearing is specifically for a spear.
I figured that was rather obvious, myself. But nice to see DOPS confirm it.

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I could see a fine for Tkachuk, but a hearing? That’s ridiculous.
No it's not. It's in the CBA. Every player has the right to a hearing before the league subjects them to supplemental discipline.
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Has an unsportsmanlike conduct ever been grounds for suspension before? I'm curious what kind of precedent has been set.
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