The trials and tribulations of Glen Gulutzan

[Infinit47]

Originally Posted by Major Major

What about the comments didn't you like? Do you not generally hope for team success, even if it means you may have to change your opinion?

My issue is that I view the comments through the lens of not liking GG as a coach, so to me it came off as totally blaming the team for not being prepared, and not taking any responsibility for that himself.

That said I re-watched it and don't know what else he could really say. only thing I would have liked would be for him to say this wouldn't happen again and that we was taking care of it (not being prepared).

All told he stood up for Lack and Tkachuk which I like, but I think he could have laid into a few of their under performers. Really I would have liked to see a few benchings in the game, as that speaks louder than post game comments.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by tkflames

Boring Hockey...great fit to clean up our highly underachieving team defense.

I knew this thread would be bumped. I don't think it's fair after one bad game in a run of good games (look at the pens getting blown our by Columbus last year), but I do think there will be an adjustment made in the coaching staff at some point soon if the special teams continue to be a disaster.

I was wondering if Tippett was a little overrated but seeing that team with a supposedly improved roster under Tocchet has changed my mind. Sooner or later whether it be Gulutzan or another coach, someone has to get this defense group playing to their potential. He would be a logical replacement but that's not going to happen unless the team misses the playoffs.

[Bingo]

So is this going to be a thing?

Win three and a row and all good. Lose one and we fire the coach again?

[Robbob]

It's why we can't have nice things.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Bingo

So is this going to be a thing?

Win three and a row and all good. Lose one and we fire the coach again?

The team is two games over .500 1/4 way into the season (I don't care what other teams are also off to slow starts). Expectations are much higher than that. I would imagine until they can move well above a .500 record there will be unhappy fans especially when the team continues to play defensively poor hockey. I'm not one of those posters calling for the coach's head but I do agree the coach hasn't shown that he's part of the solution yet so the heat should remain on until he proves otherwise.

[memphusk]

Glen Gulutzan is no good.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Bingo

So is this going to be a thing?

Win three and a row and all good. Lose one and we fire the coach again?

Probably, if we win the next three I am sure the GG is a good coach thread will gain traction again. I think when things go wrong on the ice some posters are really emotionally invested and they have to put the blame somewhere and historically that is the head coach.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Probably, if we win the next three I am sure the GG is a good coach thread will gain traction again. I think when things go wrong on the ice some posters are really emotionally invested and they have to put the blame somewhere and historically that is the head coach.

And that's fair.

I've just never been the high of highs and low of lows guy so it always strikes me as a tough way to exist.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Infinit47

My issue is that I view the comments through the lens of not liking GG as a coach,

OK, take that up with yourself. Your lens is not the coach's problem, or the team's.

[AC]

Originally Posted by Bingo

And that's fair.

I've just never been the high of highs and low of lows guy so it always strikes me as a tough way to exist.

I used to be that way. It was excruciating during the tough seasons. Basically from 2006 until when the rebuild seemed imminent.

I still get pretty damn high after wins, but the key is be as OK with losses as possible. Its a long season filled with many distinct trends and storylines. Throwing a tantrum after any 1 loss has frankly just got to be bad for your health, and for sure isn't a fun way to be a fan of a professional sports team.

[Draug]

Originally Posted by Bingo

So is this going to be a thing?

Win three and a row and all good. Lose one and we fire the coach again?

It could be that the Flames win despite the coach, not because of him.

If one were to bring up a coaching change during a win streak, the rebuttal from the GG supporters would be "We are winning. What more do you want?". Bring up a coaching change after a loss, and the rebuttal will be "It is one game. Relax. We need to patient". It's a lose - lose.

By the time it can be unequivocally proven we need a new coach, the season will be lost. I get the frustration. At the same, I hear where the GG supporters are coming from too.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Bingo

And that's fair.

I've just never been the high of highs and low of lows guy so it always strikes me as a tough way to exist.

I think that's just a sign of the times. The most popular topics on most forums deal with negative topics whether it be the current goaltending situation, head coach, US politics, Hollywood scandals, TV/movie treads were people pan shows/movies. For example the GMG thread gets bumped considerably more than the What makes me happy thread. The internet has for better or worse (likely the latter) become a pretty negative place.

[mrdonkey]

Originally Posted by Bingo

And that's fair.

I've just never been the high of highs and low of lows guy so it always strikes me as a tough way to exist.

There are legitimate reasons for people not to like Gulutzan and legitimate reasons (i.e. dogpiling, accusations of 'Debbie downer') for why it doesn't make sense to bring them up when the team is winning.

For me, even when the team is winning I still don't like the guy because he inspires as much confidence as a wet noodle and has the team playing mediocre, playoff bubble hockey when the expectations should be much higher (carbon copy of his time in Dallas in which the team also underperformed).

I've pretty much kept to myself outside of the GTs because there's no sense in repeating myself ad nauseum, but shouldn't it be expected that after another spanking and yet more puzzling decisions by the coach this thread would come back?

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Draug

It could be that the Flames win despite the coach, not because of him.

A conveniently untestable hypothesis. Go nuts with that; nobody can ever prove you wrong, and you can never prove yourself right.

If one were to bring it a coaching change during a win streak, the rebuttal from the GG supporters would be "We are winning. What more do you want?". Bring up a coaching change after a loss, and the rebuttal will be "It is one game. Relax. We need to patient". It's a lose - lose.

By the time it can be unequivocally proven we need a new coach, the season will be lost.

Whereas, if you could persuade everyone on CP that the coach needs to be fired, this would accomplish… what exactly?

[tkflames]

Never underestimate the power of CP...just in the two months we got Jagr signed.

[Cheese]

Damn good thing this isnt the Cleveland Browns forum.

[Draug]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

A conveniently untestable hypothesis. Go nuts with that; nobody can ever prove you wrong, and you can never prove yourself right.

Whereas, if you could persuade everyone on CP that the coach needs to be fired, this would accomplish… what exactly?

I wouldn't say it's completely untestable. I'm pretty sure that everyone would agree that our roster should form a team that is better than 2 games over 500 and agree our roster is good enough for playoff success.

Mediocre coaches make the playoffs all the time. Mediocre coaches may even get out of round 1 sometimes. But they rarely go deep year after year; good coaches do that. So another season of mediocrity would lead the testing to lay it at the feet of the coach.

And no, I learned long ago that convincing people on the internet of anything is a lost cause. A total waste of time. Nobody changes opinion anyway.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Cheese

Damn good thing this isnt the Cleveland Browns forum.

It's probably not as bad as you think and arguably much more even keel. For example the Raiders had 14 bad seasons that rivalled the Browns plight and we just got used to losing and accepted it. Beat down by the losing and helplessness of knowing that things would never get better as long as Al was still running the team we just took our medicine and celebrated the small victories. Sure there were arguments but everyone was in unison that the team was bad and was going to be bad. In fact today things at Raiders forums mirror here in that expectations were high and the team has been a disappointment. JDR was a good coach last season in the eyes of most fans but this season you will be lucky to find even a small handful of fans that don't want him fired (it's way worse than the heat here on Gulutzan. Not even close.). Players are being thrown under the bus just like here. In a lot of ways high expectations breed more conflict on fan forums because losing under high expectations is much harder on fans and brings out more emotion than losing when it's expected.

[Gaskal]

Originally Posted by Bingo

And that's fair.

I've just never been the high of highs and low of lows guy so it always strikes me as a tough way to exist.

You seem to have a knack for "calm down" predictions.

Bingo in 2016: Ok guys, Gulutzan is not hated by the players, in fact they respect and like him and are feeling way too much pressure to win for him, we are still better defensively than last year somehow with the stats to show, this team will turn things around.

Team turned things around and made the playoffs.


Bingo in 2017: Ok guys, things are not as bad as the scores look, we are consistently outplaying the other team and experiencing a ridiculous dry spell, the offense is fine and the scoring will return, just you see, and the wins will follow.

Team immediately scores 21 goals over the next 4 games and goes 3-1-0.

[Backlunds_socks]

Even with the wins I don't think GG is a good coach.

he has no clue when to put which line out - yesterday playing JG and SM after the brawl, wtf?

First real show of emotion after the game, a little too late bud.

Stubborn on his D-pairings - why not reunite Brodano again? Oh sorry left right.