However good Lack may or may not appear in practice, it is patently obvious that Gulutzan doesn't actually trust him in the games. Mike Smith was on pace to play like 75 games while the coach left the backup to rot.
If the coach has no faith in the backup, the GM has to rectify the situation.
Smith did play one back-to-back earlier in the season - but that game was followed by 5 days off. The Flames schedule has allowed them to ride the hot hand.
Not saying coach (or players) have faith, or don't, in Lack. Just saying I think we were about to find that out as the scheduled becomes more compressed later this month.
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Looking at the summary looks like Brouwer got a 10 min misconduct after Detroit scored on the 5v3. So he must of said something as well.
Looking at Mantha, he was assessed 2 game misconduct penalties so he will be suspended for their next game. In addition to the stepping back on the, Witokski got 3 misconduct penalties, if they are all in the same category than it is suspension.
So if I had to guess. Mantha 1 game, Witoksi 11 games, and then a bunch of fines.
I just noticed Mony having to be restrained from going after Mantha too. Absolutely love seeing that! I really believe Mony has the size and toughness to become a true power forward out there, so I get really excited any time I see him taking steps towards that.
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Smith did play one back-to-back earlier in the season - but that game was followed by 5 days off. The Flames schedule has allowed them to ride the hot hand.
Not saying coach (or players) have faith, or don't, in Lack. Just saying I think we were about to find that out as the scheduled becomes more compressed later this month.
I'm aware of the schedule. Giving a guy one start in six weeks does nobody any good. Particularly given the fact that we needed to know what we had in Lack before the compressed schedule forced our hand.
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Yep!
I remember when Gregg Popovich, yeah THE Gregg Popovich, got accused of something similar and responded brilliantly. One of the most important attributes of a coach is the ability to motivate in-game, but showing up ready is the job of the players.
Great clip, and exactly what needs to be understood before people go criticising Gulutzan when he says the team wasn’t prepared.
The coach can motivate, he can get a little more out of players, he can equip them with the proper knowledge and systems and give them the tools. But coming ready to work? That’s 100% on the player. If you’re not mentally prepared to play the game, that’s you not doing your job, it’s nobody else’s fault.
It sounds like there are some people who rely on their boss to encourage them to get out of bed in the morning. I’m sure that’s nice, but it’s not reality. You come to work prepared to work, simple as that.
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late to this.. but was that monahan who had to be held back by his teammates from jumping off the bench onto the ice..?? wow! love the passion from him.. he doesn't always show it! but guy is an obvious leader.. was trying to help hamonic i think.
Today I've been told by a Wings fan that Tkachuk is an #######, poor Witkowski was only provoked by Tkachuk, Mantha is an angel who was jumped by Hamonic, the gate was just open because Tkachuk is an #######, Howard was unfairly penalized and basically this was all the Flames' fault.
Pretty amazing how different fanbases watch scenes like that. Rose-colored glasses will do that to you.
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Top line getting points and Smith keeping Flames in games have been their success model so far this season. Top line was impressive again while Smith being hurt was the difference.
I just noticed Mony having to be restrained from going after Mantha too. Absolutely love seeing that! I really believe Mony has the size and toughness to become a true power forward out there, so I get really excited any time I see him taking steps towards that.
It's funny but I've been thinking to myself for a while now that I think Mony could play a little "tougher" I think he's a smart enough and big enough kid to do it and still control his emotions. I feel like one of these days he's going to get in his first scrap and really pummel some poor bugger and it's gonna make him realize that he's tougher than he thinks. And once he gets a little snarl in his game he's gonna be on his way to even better things.
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I'm not blaming Lack for the loss and I know he's had limited icetime so far, but an .813 save percentage isn't going to cut it. I'd give him another game or two on this trip. If he doesn't get his game together, send him down and keep either Gillies or Rittich as the backup.
At a minimum it will give Lack a chance to get some playing time and hopefully improve. I don't think he can get any worse.
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Great player for sure, but if you watch the replay he has it already all planned out. He's skating behind the ref, following him, then he sticks his stick in there for a quick tap then quickly hides behind Frolik. Like one of you guys said. It's pointless . You're not hurting the Detroit player. You're not sending a message.
Kulak should be the one being lauded by you guys. He fought a guy much bigger than him and didn't back down. Tkachuk didn't show anything to me. Certainly not standing up for his teammates. It was a selfish thing to do that lead to Harmonic getting pummelled.
Hides?
Tkachuk doesn't hide behind Frolik. He gives buddy a tap then goes to the boards then fully skates into the Detroit players and engages.
He was totally sending a message. The message was "We don't like what you did to Kulak and we won't just let it go." I loved it. Good on him.
And Harmonic...err Hamonic is the one that dropped his gloves with Mantha first. Hamonic wanted a piece after what happened to Kulak as well. It was unfortunate that he fell through the bench door, but it certainly wasn't Matthews fault that that happened.
Again, good on Matthew for dragging his team into that scrum. It was totally warranted IMO.
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Looking at the summary looks like Brouwer got a 10 min misconduct after Detroit scored on the 5v3. So he must of said something as well.
During the game, Sportsnet showed Brouwer in a pretty heated argument with the same referee that gave Backlund the unsportsmanlike penalty. I don't doubt that something nasty was said to deserve the misconduct.
I love chucky and his antics but whacking a dude who’s been ejected is a boneheaded move, full stop
The love tap, as I understood it, came after Wetwillykowski took it upon himself to come back on the ice after the first ejection to beak the Flames bench some more.
The ref giving him the spearing penalty was the bonehead. Wetwillykowski is a bonehead. But Tkachuk did the right thing.
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Great clip, and exactly what needs to be understood before people go criticising Gulutzan when he says the team wasn’t prepared.
The coach can motivate, he can get a little more out of players, he can equip them with the proper knowledge and systems and give them the tools. But coming ready to work? That’s 100% on the player. If you’re not mentally prepared to play the game, that’s you not doing your job, it’s nobody else’s fault.
It sounds like there are some people who rely on their boss to encourage them to get out of bed in the morning. I’m sure that’s nice, but it’s not reality. You come to work prepared to work, simple as that.
You really think that the state of confidence and mental preparation of a professional athlete has nothing to do with the things the coach says and does in his or her official capacity as coach?
Can you actually not see that clip is a coach motivating his players to be ready to play...by expressly calling them out in front of a television camera (which Gulutzan did his own version of last night saying it should be embarrassing to get your ass kicked)? That is to say, a coach doing his coaching duties?
You think that was a coach answering a journalist in an effort to advance the world's understanding of player responsibility as a public service announcement? Haha nope. That right there is a coach speaking directly to his players...in a made for Hollywood moment that I keep hearing doesn't happen in professional sports.
This whole 'does your boss do that?' thing is a false comparison. Elite athletics competition is not the same as every other occupation. Is yours a job where the boss holds a media scrum after each work day to discuss your level of effort and whether he has you and your coworkers hitting peak performance?
I do not question the players need to have responsibility for their actual performances and pre game preparation. They could play Tetris on their phone in the hotel instead of having a nap or not drink water on game day. They could spend all day thinking about what movie they are going to watch with their girlfriends after the game instead of thinking about line match ups.
But to suggest that a coach has 0% of a role in finding ways to make that kind of stuff not happen? Where do you get that idea?
The Micheal Ferland you are currently watching play great hockey would not be playing the game at all if it was not for the fact that his NHL coach took personal responsibility for noticing and doing something about it when Ferland was not showing up to work prepared.
Winning coaches consider this their responsibility. How do you account for the Mike Babcock quote I cited about him waking up every morning and doing his best to love his players and make them feel good?
The love tap, as I understood it, came after Wetwillykowski took it upon himself to come back on the ice after the first ejection to beak the Flames bench some more.
The ref giving him the spearing penalty was the bonehead. Wetwillykowski is a bonehead. But Tkachuk did the right thing.
I'm talking about the whack to the back of the legs when he was initially leaving the ice, causing him to come back on. I dont care if the guy is beaking your bench, he's not in the game anymore so you can't hit him. It's not a good look. I know it wasnt a vicious slash and the tap wouldn't have hurt a kitten, but theres no need for that
Haven't really given my thoughts of the game, but to be honest, I only watched until Detroit made it 5-1. That's when I was done. Why did I stop watching? Because Lack sucks. I defended him before, but there were like 3 of those 5 goals that he should have stopped. It was an absolute garbage game all around. Never have I seen Brodie and Hamonic suck like they did. Once again we made costly mistakes and the other teams easily pot them in. The Versteeg fail didn't even make me pissed, I just laughed. And GG just sits and puts the same PP out there every freaking time. He needs to start switching things around. We may have potted a lot of goals in the past few games, but we've also let in a whole bunch. It was only a matter of time that we would get blown out like this.
About the brawl, I've got no comment on it. The refs in general have been horrible for both us and the team that we play against. There's nothing we can really do about it either.
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