Calgarypuck Moderator Team

[GGG]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

No, the expectation should not be to be personally insulted and piled on with no argument against what the poster is saying but focusing on piling on the poster. That is exactly what happened in that thread and while some were voicing an opposing opinion most were piling on with no rebuttal against what I was saying, they were piling on me personally. I said she reminded me of a sociopath and I gave my reasons why. I said she was a liar and gave my sources and reasons why. I didn't get piled on for that and you know it, I got piled on because I posted something about the person who lost to the ultra evil Donald Trump and anything not about how terrible Trump is (and he is) was going to get that person dog piled. Almost all of the posters who came after me came after ME, not to defend Hillary Clinton. So I got belittled, called an idiot, and personally dog piled on because I said imo Clinton was a sociopath and a bad person and the result of that was??? I got banned from the OTB. Sounds legit.

Go reread the thread. There were no personal insults except perhaps one about law enforcement. But the rest attacked your ridiculous position that Trump and Clinton were equally bad. Many people even agreed withyou that Hillary was a terrible candidate.

You got piled on for a blatant false equivalency. And it was your position that was attacked.

[joejoe3]

Too many people take this forum for granted.

You get a connected community, no subscription fee, volunteered mod team, and some of you feeling entitled just continue to b***h and whine.

Thank you to the mod team for your time and Bingo for hosting.

/rant

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by GGG

Go reread the thread. There were no personal insults except perhaps one about law enforcement. But the rest attacked your ridiculous position that Trump and Clinton were equally bad. Many people even agreed withyou that Hillary was a terrible candidate.

You got piled on for a blatant false equivalency. And it was your position that was attacked.

I am not sure I said they were equally bad, I remember saying they were both terrible people. Anyhow it is over I don't want to rehash it anymore and if I could go back and not say anything I would. I never meant it to snowball, I dropped in to add a quick both candidates were terrible, possibly hyberboled it, and away we went. Can we all hold hands, sing kumbaya, and make fun of the Oilers now?

[stone hands]

I dont have a problem with the moderators, and there is nothing the mods can do, but i'd much rather ban posters who do nothing but make the exact same complaint 45 different times in a GT rather than dudes posting work safe gifs in the pgt, especially when you aren't liable for what your users post under the communications decency act unless you have a post-approval message board, in which case you become the publisher and not just a provider of a place for people to publish whatever they want.
I'm not sure what the canadian equivalent is

[Yamer]

Thing is, bias is going to exist. Certain posters will get the benefit of the doubt, while others will be monitored more closely. That's earned, IMO. If you're a longtime, solid contributor who slips up you're going to receive leniency. If you're a constant problem child, guess what?

I've learned through my own mistakes that if you offer a poorly supported opinion, then you deserve derision. That's the way discourse should be. It's rare that I observe a discussion where someone is attacked simply because they said something someone didn't agree with. Usually it's a poor opinion with poor support and argument. You're always entitled to your opinion, but they aren't all equal.

They're like a-holes. Everyone has one, and some are ####tier than others.

However, I do feel that the derogatory and personal attacks could be curtailed a bit better. Of course with that said, they seem to happen so often (due to the nature of a message board) I'm surprised moderation can keep up at all at times..

[Calgary4LIfe]

Originally Posted by Bingo

And to be honest I'd rather have a little more room on the negativity and personal attacks then moderate pictures etc because that's what makes this place what it is; passion. Take that away and you have nothing.

I disagree here. The negativity and having an unpopular viewpoint is fine (as long as it doesn't go overboard to the point that people are just doing it simply to troll). If not for differing viewpoints - including overly negative posts that even I roll my eyes while reading - then there wouldn't be as much discussion. Heck, even some of the constant trolls here (like some of the Oiler fans - you guys know who you are) I don't even mind and find them kind of humorous at times (and annoying at times too.. but at least they aren't annoying all the time).

However, I do think that personal attacks make posters more apathetic. If the goal is to weed out unpopular posters with differing viewpoints by having them piled on with post after post containing personal attacks, then I guess being tolerant of personal attacks is fine. Otherwise, I do think in the long run, you end up having a number of posters that have a negative experience and start becoming less active, or even start avoiding posting altogether. Piling on is one thing - you make a widely dissenting opinion and get piled on, that is to be expected, and I expect it whenever I make such a post. But the numerous attacks questioning their intelligence, character, etc., crosses that line.

I myself have become more apathetic. Not due to anyone attacking me (I am sure there have been some posts of that nature, but none have really bothered me much more than a simple annoyance), but because there is just too many snide comments at one another on these forums. That's not passion to me. That just becomes hard to read, and a less enjoyable experience.

Just my two cents anyway. Maybe I just have a different outlook on things, but I personally dislike people going out of their way either online or in real life belittling others and especially intentionally trying to hurt them. Discuss the facts, philosophies, ideas and so on, but taking swipes at people with the aim of making them feel bad is just not very productive in my opinion. Most of the posters here seem like decent people that I feel like I would get along with well in real life, but boy there are some here that seem to relish an opportunity to put someone down. What's the point to that?

At the end of the day, this is Bingo's site. Everyone complaining about free speech and being perturbed when one of their posts gets edited/deleted is just not understanding what this forum is. This is a private forum run at someone's expense that provides a venue for fans of the Calgary Flames, the NHL/hockey and other interests to discuss things. This is not your tax dollars or some public forum where you have the right to post. If I was a moderator providing my free time here trying to manage this forum while I have my own life and interests to manage, and see a public post complaining about my work, I would probably feel annoyed. Why not just send the moderation team a private message and ask them why instead of publicly complaining/publicly shaming them? It takes two seconds. Heck, if I was a moderator, I would be banning people left, right and center, to the point that it would just be me left posting here, or I would just be childish and edit people's posts to say: "I agree with everything that C4L says, he is my supreme leader, and my breath smells like my butt". Thank goodness this moderation team has a lot more patience and self control than I do.

[Strange Brew]

I have tried to stay away from the politics related threads, including the threads dealing with recent tragedies. I find some of the generalizations being made very hard to stomach, so better for me just to stay away.

[cKy]

Originally Posted by dammage79

The moderating strategies on cp have become so bizarre I sometimes wonder if they believe the internet more than the real world.

How taking something pure and fun like Steve's gifs away because you can't actually just discipline the clowns for their stupid comments is a huge head scratcher. Whatever you want to call it this lacks common sense.

This is especially confounding since everything has been posted well within the community guidelines and rules and those who commit the infractions should be the only ones held responsible for their actions.

I also agree with dissentower regardless of specific events, there's a sliding scale of forgiveness for some and harsh penalties for others who have done far less.

Sometimes it truly does feel like the prisoners do run the asylum.

As a long term member who browses here every day, I rarely post anymore for many of the reasons people have explained already.. but when I read your post (and I agree with you), all that plays in my head is the song below.

I shook my head when SS's gif got banned as I figured the overly PC crowd got it killed and then the subsequent actions that came from it. If this is a community based on hockey, which is supposed to be fun, shouldn't we also be able to have some fun here? Can we stop being offended by everything?

I'd wager that most of the easily offended here are of the younger crowd and probably in University. I doubt most of the older crowd were all that insulted with a lady coming out of a door with a fist pump.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ziNaZxvp-Qk

[Nammer403]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

I feel like I am utterly clueless about the supposed controversy. I saw a couple of funny GIF's and thanked them. I guess some issue came of it?

I love this site and think the moderators are great, and for the most part, utterly invisible. And there are those mods who engage directly in healthy debate and are more than able to handle disagreement with their views without making it personal.

I’m lost too On the controversy so is my PGT win photo inappropriate or not?
This one:
https://forum.calgarypuck.com/showth...01#post6447601

[Jiri Hrdina]

^Just to clarify. The original GIF did not get banned. It was only asked to be put behind NSFW tags. Same with the second GIF.
The third GIF was taken down because of several comments that we viewed to be creepy and over the line.
Just wanted to clarify. There is a notion out there that we banned the original GIF. We didn't.

[cKy]

Originally Posted by Nammer403

I’m lost too On the controversy so is my PGT win photo inappropriate or not?
This one:
https://forum.calgarypuck.com/showth...01#post6447601

GirlySports also posts a bunch of Girly gifs. I see no issue with any of them..

[Jiri Hrdina]

If you aren't sure the easy thing to do is just put them behind the NSFW tags. My personal opinion would be that the one Nammer is posting seems fine. Others may feel differently though.
We did receive numerous complaints in the past re. the posts that Girly was posting.

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by Wild GM

^Just to clarify. The original GIF did not get banned. It was only asked to be put behind NSFW tags. Same with the second GIF.
The third GIF was taken down because of several comments that we viewed to be creepy and over the line.
Just wanted to clarify. There is a notion out there that we banned the original GIF. We didn't.

Yeah there was. Any ban hammers drop? No? Odd...

[Gaskal]

Originally Posted by Wild GM

If you aren't sure the easy thing to do is just put them behind the NSFW tags. My personal opinion would be that the one Nammer is posting seems fine. Others may feel differently though.
We did receive numerous complaints in the past re. the posts that Girly was posting.

I was wondering where they went... that explains a lot.

[puffnstuff]

I will only comment to say that I have read more posters in the last year? maybe less, that call out others for personal attacks. Mostly in the political threads. And even after I go back and re read what was posted, what it is, isnt a personal attack but rather a rebuttal of that posters assertation. Because someone disagrees with you doesnt make it a personal attack, its the beginning of what used to be called a debate.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by Wild GM

If you aren't sure the easy thing to do is just put them behind the NSFW tags. My personal opinion would be that the one Nammer is posting seems fine. Others may feel differently though.
We did receive numerous complaints in the past re. the posts that Girly was posting.

So for research purposes only, where exactly are these Girly posts being referenced?

[DJones]

Strykers gifs were fantastic. They should be stickied on every PGT.

If you don't like the responses they got, ignore the message and the user. Do not quote them endlessly calling for justice from some higher power. It just exaggerates the problem and side tracks the whole discussion until it became weird. I almost left before the ATL came on.

I just thought it was NSFW tagged because of the size of them. I'm disappointed in all of you that that was actually required.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Yeah there was. Any ban hammers drop? No? Odd...

I'm trying to answer questions in this thread and help with a healthy dialogue.
I get that you don't care how we moderate this site. That's fine. Not everyone is going to be happy.
But we aren't going to adjust our decisions or how we approach things to make you happy.
In the meantime I'm happy to continue the dialogue with people who are interested in a true back and forth and discussion.

[Nammer403]

Originally Posted by Gaskal

I was wondering where they went... that explains a lot.

Yep haven’t seen her posts a gif in a while now

[StrykerSteve]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Yeah there was. Any ban hammers drop? No? Odd...

To be fair, I manage a significant number of people and am often responsible for bringing down the hammer regarding performance conversations and disciplinary notices. It's not a common practice to let others know what sort of discipline I've handed out. That's reserved as a personal conversation between myself and the offending employee.

All I let others know, is that they can expect whatever the concern was, to no longer be an issue. If it continues, they can let me know.

My employees trust that I'll do what's needed to address their concerns. Same would apply here to a moderating team. If it's anything like previous forums I've designed, the mods have a private forum that they discuss issues in, and formulate strategy as a group, so it's not one individual making lone decisions.