Also there was no concert of owning land in Native culture so the concept of their land is a colonial white creation.
Perfect. So we claimed it first then
I use "we" loosely. I'm off the boat European.
Frankly, all of the native appeasing is really out of hand. At some point they can choose to integrate into the majority society or not, but to continue down this path of walking on eggshells is supremely counter productive and wasteful. I deal with natives literally every single day. I see exactly what all of this paying off, bending to their every request, granting all of their demands has accomplished, its a zero accountability society that continues to blame others for their way of life, which is completely out of line. You can look at very successful bands across canada that have chosen to adapt and overcome, who have exercised business savvy, smart decisions, and not pushing treaty guilt on anyone. Unfortunately, while we have factions of those groups in alberta, we still end up with the continual "you wronged us, now give us something". You have to look no further than any controversial news story in the past few years, where someone was offended, where the solution is apologies and payment (facilities, funding, etc). Its extortion, and people are too concerned about offending anyone to stand up to it.
And before backlunds socks decides to come up with some other diatribe about whether I've suffered or whatever he's gonna say, feel free to say anything you want about me, my culture, my people, my background, use any slurs you can find about them. I'm grown up enough and have enough individual identity that I don't care, nor do I need to make things a game against a majority society.
I have to admit on the sea to sky highway I do like the highway signs that have both names on them. Much like the Nakoda word for Canmore, it's interesting to read the signs and a good gesture to the heritage of the land at minimal cost.
Agree completely. I don't think it has any legal effect to note that particular areas were called something else by indigenous peoples long ago, nor does it hurt to put those names on the signs out by the highway. Obviously the official name will not change, as that has tourism implications, but if we just add in parentheses the traditional name for the area, I have difficulty seeing the issue.
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Personally I think this is a great idea, but its not for free. Offer to sell them the naming rights to the City at a minimum cost of $1 trillion dollars payable in installments of $50 billion payable over like the next 50 years at $20 billion a year.
That would certainly fix the budget shortfall +++ and they could rename the city, all the buildings all the streets and everything to whatever they want.
At the same time, every city and town should offer the same thing.
I'm sure that we could start up a gofund me page to buy the naming rights to Edmonton.
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Agree completely. I don't think it has any legal effect to note that particular areas were called something else by indigenous peoples long ago, nor does it hurt to put those names on the signs out by the highway. Obviously the official name will not change, as that has tourism implications, but if we just add in parentheses the traditional name for the area, I have difficulty seeing the issue.
Calgary doesn’t have a native name. It was founded by the NWMP as Fort Brisebois, then renamed to Fort Calgary. If we are going to add the meanings of the name to signs, we should add “Bay Farm”.
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"Public consultations planned
Ron Kelland, program co-ordinator, said the application will be evaluated in a process that will include public consultations. Researchers will look at old maps and historical documents.
"We are in the early stages of looking at it and we are very much looking forward to engaging the Stoney Nakoda on these names," he said.
Final decisions on naming natural geographical features are made by the Alberta Historical Resources Foundation and the government."
Who is going to foot the bill for the hundreds of hours that the civil service is going to spend on this? Surely not the Stoney Nakoda...
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Frankly, all of the native appeasing is really out of hand. At some point they can choose to integrate into the majority society or not
I think you have it backwards, personally. It’s not up to them to integrate into “majority society,” whatever that is, it’s up to Canadians to start recognising that they’re part of society, and their traditions are Canadian traditions no less than whatever you feel is “Canadian.”
The push for aboriginal people to assimilate is maybe in itself a longstanding European Canadian tradition, but not one that has a lot for us to be proud of. It has led to a lot poor decisions.
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Calgary doesn’t have a native name. It was founded by the NWMP as Fort Brisebois, then renamed to Fort Calgary. If we are going to add the meanings of the name to signs, we should add “Bay Farm”.
This is why I said "traditional name for the area".
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I think you have it backwards, personally. It’s not up to them to integrate into “majority society,” whatever that is, it’s up to Canadians to start recognising that they’re part of society, and their traditions are Canadian traditions no less than whatever you feel is “Canadian.”
The push for aboriginal people to assimilate is maybe in itself a longstanding European Canadian tradition, but not one that has a lot for us to be proud of. It has led to a lot poor decisions.
The only people left making poor decisions are the Aboriginal themselves. And I'm not saying assimilate, that's the word you chose to use, I said integrate, inject themselves into alongside, not all out conform to. Their choice to remain completely atypical of everyone else is holding them back, and it's being done at the blame of the rest of us, instead of accounting for their own well being
Does this point of view apply to your land and home as well? If a native stopped by your home and demanded to use the land that you “stole”, what would you do?
Remember, it WAS their land at some point in history.
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Personally I think this is a great idea, but its not for free. Offer to sell them the naming rights to the City at a minimum cost of $1 trillion dollars payable in installments of $50 billion payable over like the next 50 years at $20 billion a year.
That would be one way to pay for a new arena.....and the Olympics.
With how PC everybody is nowadays I wouldn't be surprised if this was seriously considered.
Even if it goes nowhere, we’ll be in the hook for a bunch of money in the meantime.
If the Stoney (who weren’t the original people on the land anyway) still want change the name after paying for all the costs associated with changing the name, then let them. I have a feeling they’d find a better use for the millions of dollars it would cost.
"Public consultations planned
Ron Kelland, program co-ordinator, said the application will be evaluated in a process that will include public consultations. Researchers will look at old maps and historical documents.
"We are in the early stages of looking at it and we are very much looking forward to engaging the Stoney Nakoda on these names," he said.
Final decisions on naming natural geographical features are made by the Alberta Historical Resources Foundation and the government."
Who is going to foot the bill for the hundreds of hours that the civil service is going to spend on this? Surely not the Stoney Nakoda...
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Above is Finnish, below is Swedish. It's sometimes the other way around, as some places have a Swedish speaking majority. If the minority is below some number, they go with the majority name only for that place. (Then there's some places that don't have two names etc.)
Something like this might work for Alberta too. Both languages are represented in a non-arbitrary way that makes sense.
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Above is Finnish, below is Swedish. It's sometimes the other way around, as some places have a Swedish speaking majority. If the minority is below some number, they go with the majority name only for that place. (Then there's some places that don't have two names etc.)
Something like this might work for Alberta too. Both languages are represented in a non-arbitrary way that makes sense.
Yeah this is currently what happens in much of new Brunswick (at least years ago when I lived there it did).
I am not sure how prevalent the speaking for Cree is within the Nakoda First Nation.
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The only people left making poor decisions are the Aboriginal themselves. And I'm not saying assimilate, that's the word you chose to use, I said integrate, inject themselves into alongside, not all out conform to. Their choice to remain completely atypical of everyone else is holding them back, and it's being done at the blame of the rest of us, instead of accounting for their own well being
A lot of this lack of integration is the fault of the Indian act. They have no ability to control what happens on their land. The federal government has to approve all deals they are not allowed to sell or develop it without federal approval. The election process, on reserve taxation, etc are all controlled by the federal government.
Eliminating the Indian act and treating the Native bands as independent agencies responsible for their own people with only grants given by the federal government in accordance with our commitments with the English versions of the treaties. Push as much governance onto the bands as possible. There will be corruption and waste and suffering but it will ensure that these people have the ability to control their own path forward.
