The trials and tribulations of Glen Gulutzan

[Frank MetaMusil]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

That he was the same guy, that played way differently, is my point.

My point was, the reason all of those comebacks were required, was because Hiller sucked in both seasons

The team wasn't able to replicate those, and tank commander Hiller was born.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by samsaini

Okay that's fair, we take out Johnny and Monahan, and I still think we have a pretty even team compared to lightning (besides Stamkos & Kuch).
But my point still stands that our coaching has not been on par with what expectations were from the hiring. We're very inconsistent and have no identity of our own.

Games where we look like we're gonna lose, we win, and the games where we look like we're gonna win, we lose lol.

Don't know who's gonna have less hair by the end of the season, Getzlaf or me

Take away Monahan and Gaudreau and we're comparable to the bottom five teams at the end of this season. You're not really making sense. You had to take away Tampa's best two players to say we're comparable, which of course means nothing. Then you suggested that even if we also take away our two best players we're still comparable to Tampa.

Our forwards are not comparable to Tampa's whether you take away their best players, take away their best players and our best players etc. They're a way better offensive roster than us, full stop. A true Stanley Cup contender.

[Torture]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Really awesome visual, thanks for sharing this Bingo.

[Infinit47]

Originally Posted by Backlunds_socks

What is GG paid?

Too much?

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Torture

Really awesome visual, thanks for sharing this Bingo.

Thanks.

Underlying numbers don't always flesh out with results but they certainly point to a direction that is positive. Have a feeling the "Fire Gulutzan" topics will be all but gone by Xmas time.

[Gaskal]

Glen has more positives than negatives, it's just that the negatives are far more noticeable during iffy stretches of results. It's why I'm gun-shy on firing him unless there's an absolutely clear upgrade available and interested in coming to Calgary. They could very well be superior to Glen in the objections we do have against his coaching, but there is no guarantee that the things that Gulutzan are actually good at will be improved with his replacement.

I mean, I can count the number of things I personally disagree with on one hand:

1.) Doesn't shorten his bench when it really matters
2.) Too gun-shy in playing youth sometimes
3.) Doesn't utilize goalie switches well
4.) Doesn't seem great at helping his players free themselves from cold streaks

All of which can come through experience, but the other stuff he seems to have down pat.

[mrdonkey]

Originally Posted by Gaskal

Glen has more positives than negatives, it's just that the negatives are far more noticeable during iffy stretches of results. It's why I'm gun-shy on firing him unless there's an absolutely clear upgrade available and interested in coming to Calgary. They could very well be superior to Glen in the objections we do have against his coaching, but there is no guarantee that the things that Gulutzan are actually good at will be improved with his replacement.

I mean, I can count the number of things I personally disagree with on one hand:

1.) Doesn't shorten his bench when it really matters
2.) Too gun-shy in playing youth sometimes
3.) Doesn't utilize goalie switches well
4.) Doesn't seem great at helping his players free themselves from cold streaks

All of which can come through experience, but the other stuff he seems to have down pat.

Gulutzan is great at all the things that you want in an assistant coach, but he absolutely sucks at motivating and utilizing his players which are things only a head coach can do. So why is he the head coach, again?

This team needs someone to come in and get players playing consistent hockey, who isn't afraid to adapt 'the system' when the time calls for it and who isn't afraid to send messages. Obviously I'm no NHL exec but the way this team is built, it seems so obvious that if you could get Darryl Sutter on board and retain Gulutzan as an AC, the team would be much better off going forward. I just feel like GG has no earthly idea what kind of identity this team should have and has no mind for the unquantifiable human parts of the game, and has shown no signs of improvement at all in these areas since his hiring.

[Jiri Hrdina]

If you think those areas are unquantifiable how are you measuring if he’s improved or not

[mrdonkey]

Originally Posted by Wild GM

If you think those areas are unquantifiable how are you measuring if he’s improved or not

Just because something is unquantifiable doesn't mean it can't be improved. I don't have quantifiable evidence that I'm any better at playing the piano today than I was when I was 3, but I have myself a hunch.

The point being, in my estimation this team still lacks an identity and the eye test says to me that Gulutzan is still not managing his bench or acting as that voice of leadership that makes a good HC. Obviously I'm not there in the locker room but from what I can see, for all his skill with X's and O's (which I still don't know about since adapting the system is part of that and I think he gets outcoached pretty regularly), he's simply not that good with people.

[stone hands]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Thanks.

Underlying numbers don't always flesh out with results but they certainly point to a direction that is positive. Have a feeling the "Fire Gulutzan" topics will be all but gone by Xmas time.

I agree but the flames will have to win out until then to assuage the concerns of the fans who expect this team to be a presidents trophy winner

[Backlunds_socks]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Thanks.

Underlying numbers don't always flesh out with results but they certainly point to a direction that is positive. Have a feeling the "Fire Gulutzan" topics will be all but gone by Xmas time.

I’m sorry indicators are never, and cannot be closer to the truth than results

[FireGilbert]

The Flames win! Great coaching with the lineup changes and rolling the lines to get offence from the top 3 lines. Gulutzen is a good coach.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Backlunds_socks

I’m sorry indicators are never, and cannot be closer to the truth than results

The Flames have won 4 of their last 5. The results seem to line up with the indicators.

[Kovaz]

Originally Posted by Backlunds_socks

I’m sorry indicators are never, and cannot be closer to the truth than results

If you want to predict how the rest of the season will go, you couldn't be more incorrect. At every point in the season, corsi and expected goals are more useful than goals, in terms of predicting future goals. And future goals lead directly to future wins, and future points. Anybody with a brain can go to NHL.com and sort by points, and it would be ridiculous to assume the rest of the year will go exactly as the first quarter has gone. The interesting question is: based on the first 16 games, how will the remaining 66 go?

On-topic: I think Gulutzan provokes more frustration (I'm definitely guilty of it as well), because his mistakes seem so glaringly obvious. Hartley's teams didn't have a great system - but I don't have an obvious answer for what I would change. Gulutzan puts Bartkowski out with the 4th line late in the 3rd against the other team's top line - that's so blatant it gets me yelling at my TV.

[Cgycowboy]

I think people are really forgetting to take a broader look at the league. Parity is more of a factor than it's ever been. With the exception of Tampa, st Louis, LAK no team is doing as well as fans would like and the coach gets a lot of flack. The positive signs are that the team is clearly following systems (which show players trust the coaches), areas of weakness are being addressed from game to game (look at the changes in special teams from game to game), and the coaches are making roster changes when necessary ( ie bartkowski out Andersen in and all the line shuffling).

The reality is that the league is at such parity that puck luck and competition is causing this team and "elite" teams to win and lose on a given night.

St Louis and LA will come back to earth I'm sure of it and Tampa has a very elite first line that carries the team any given game. If we could trade our first line for theirs flames would be top of league. Then no talk about gg. Let's just watch this form of entertainment for what it is and let the players play. Nashville will not make it to the final next year and the flames might. It's just how the NHL is built now.

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[nemanja2306]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

The Flames have won 4 of their last 5. The results seem to line up with the indicators.

Funny you didn't bring up results when the Flames were on that 2-5 run.


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[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by nemanja2306

Funny you didn't bring up results when the Flames were on that 2-5 run.


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What an odd post. I was responding to a poster who said that everything besides results are irrelevant.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Backlunds_socks

I’m sorry indicators are never, and cannot be closer to the truth than results

Well if you're going to use results to project the future your model isn't going to be all that impressive!

[Backlunds_socks]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Well if you're going to use results to project the future your model isn't going to be all that impressive!

I agree that this is indeed the case with equities and commodities, not sports teams.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by Backlunds_socks

I agree that this is indeed the case with equities and commodities, not sports teams.

So the same team will win year after year? I don't get what you are saying.

Of course results matter. But teams trend up and down, no?