[PGT] Canucks 5 Flames 3

[CampbellsTransgressions]

Sam Bennett has very little value right now and is in reclamation project territory, just like Lazar.

[TheAlpineOracle]

The Flames have two goals scored against them in I think 5 minutes in the third, it was pretty evident the wheels are falling off, and GG didn’t even use his timeout. The Flames deserved to win tonight regardless, but I’m not sure how people can continue to defend his game management. GG might be a great assistant coach running the systems, but that’s his limit
In my opinion.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by Wyguy

I understand that and think that is valid. But at what point do you shorten the bench. For exaggeration purposes, let's bring us to game 7 of the Stanley cup final 3 mins left in the game and we are down by one. I would have to say that the 4th line gets the butt. They are done, the first and second line only, and maybe the third line. I think that is a pretty obvious move because it is the right move. The Stanley Cup is on the line after all... If using this reasoning brings us to the conclusion for such a high stake game skipping the 4th line is valid and the correct move by the coach, why not always make what is considered the correct move in all games?

Game 7 of a Cup Final is a different sinero compared to a regular season game. You can burn your top lines out in game 7 as there is no tomorrow. You can't be doing this on a regular basis during the regular season as you risk burning your players out. Not the same IMO.

[Frank MetaMusil]

Originally Posted by Major Major

It's clear as day that GG, much like treliving, is not result driven in his decision making. That is, after all, why they were both hired. And if he is ever to be fired and tre gets to hire another coach, that coach will also be process driven.

And out of that comes rolling 4 lines, easing rookies in, not adjusting to a risky offensive style when down, all things that are maddening when looked at through the fan lens. But there is a reason to operate this way, and it is 100% organizational. When you call for a different coach for these reasons, you're really asking for a whole new hockey ops team.

I'm not saying it will work for sure, but these guys still have quite a bit of slack with me.

If they were to dramatise losses like some do here, including you at this very second, this team's mental strength would be terrible.

This team is trading away picks to win now. That to me says they are results driven.

The problem is, they are operating out of some strange lens where they need to keep testing PTO's and waiver players.

That's great if you're willing to give them slack. I just don't agree they are rebuilding and focused on developing players primarily. Bennett would still be at center if they didn't care about results.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by TheAlpineOracle

The Flames have two goals scored against them in I think 5 minutes in the third, it was pretty evident the wheels are falling off, and GG didn’t even use his timeout. The Flames deserved to win tonight regardless, but I’m not sure how people can continue to defend his game management.

The 4th was a PP goal and the 5th was a result of Kulak pinching and a forward forgetting to cover for him. I saw no indication of any wheels falling off, just a mental mistake on the last goal.

[TheAlpineOracle]

Originally Posted by TheAlpineOracle

The Flames have two goals scored against them in I think 5 minutes in the third, it was pretty evident the wheels are falling off, and GG didn’t even use his timeout. The Flames deserved to win tonight regardless, but I’m not sure how people can continue to defend his game management. GG might be a great assistant coach running the systems, but that’s his limit
In my opinion.

Originally Posted by CampbellsTransgressions

Sam Bennett has very little value right now and is in reclamation project territory, just like Lazar.

Bennett is nowhere near Lazar territory yet. As soon as Bennett gets one goal I think we start to see a bit of resurgence. That said, time To admit defeat on Lazar. That was a terrible use of assets and keeping him the lineup is not going to change that.

Bennett was a 4th overall pick that has dominated every level of hockey he has played in until the NHL. Lazar is a plug that outworked everyone in junior. Work ethic alone won’t cut it at the NHL level.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by GoJetsGo

Once again, we've lost a few we deserved to win, and won a few we deserved to lose. It tends to even out, but if we look at the trend, it's been several solid games in a row for the Flames now.

Your decision to pipe up with the nonsensical "I look at them as ties" take is as irrelevant as it is odd.

Perhaps you can explain why looking at a team's 60 minute record is nonsensical? From my experience, you are quick to criticize anyone who has a view contrary to your own and are not one to actually engage in a conversation without resorting to personal attacks so I'm probably wasting my time. But particularly since 3 on 3 and shootouts don't occur in the playoffs, seems to me a team's record over 60 minutes is probably going to be somewhat indicative of their ultimate success.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by CampbellsTransgressions

Sam Bennett has very little value right now and is in reclamation project territory, just like Lazar.

I disagree on the Bennett value. If he was offered up in a trade you'd have a number of teams asking for his services. IMO you will always have GM's who think a change of scenery for a talented but snake bitten player would do them good.

[Bonded]

It's gross the Canucks are ahead of us

[Strange Brew]

You can't win consistently without something from your 3rd and 4th lines. I don't really fault GG for playing them as much as he does. I don't think their ice time is as much as it appears and he really has very few options. Jankowski was the one guy from the farm that could have come up and had some production but it hasn't happened yet.

[Psytic]

At the game thanks to C of R. After the 5th goal with 15 minutes left they looked like they lost the will to win. I didn't see that extra gear they have had in previous years. Very winnable game. I just wish they had someone or maybe a coach to motivate them when they get down. GG was just chilling with his hands on his hips and his head down. I guess maybe I missed the class on that technique in university.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by Manhattanboy

Well at least Calgaryblood was not offended by any post win gifs.

I thought we might get through the PG thread without any insults.

I rarely agree with CB on anything but I do respect his right to an opinion on the matter.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by Dion

I disagree on the Bennett value. If he was offered up in a trade you'd have a number of teams asking for his services. IMO you will always have GM's who think a change of scenery for a talented but snake bitten player would do them good.

This is true. Is there an equally talented yet underperforming player out there who might benefit from a change of scenery?

[GoJetsGo]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

Perhaps you can explain why looking at a team's 60 minute record is nonsensical? From my experience, you are quick to criticize anyone who has a view contrary to your own and are not one to actually engage in a conversation without resorting to personal attacks so I'm probably wasting my time. But particularly since 3 on 3 and shootouts don't occur in the playoffs, seems to me a team's record over 60 minutes is probably going to be somewhat indicative of their ultimate success.

You are perhaps one of the biggest contrarians on this site, so excuse me if I find that rich coming from you.

And you know I was pointing out that deciding "ties" aren't really wins was the nonsensical part. There's just no reason to to do that. That warranted criticism.

We're very early in the season, and the team has played well as of late despite the result tonight.

[TheAlpineOracle]

Originally Posted by Dion

I disagree on the Bennett value. If he was offered up in a trade you'd have a number of teams asking for his services. IMO you will always have GM's who think a change of scenery for a talented but snake bitten player would do them good.

Bennett would fetch next to nothing in a trade right now. His upside significantly outweighs the junk we’d get back. Nothing to gain and all to lose for the Flames.

[DJones]

I thought Bennett and Jankowski looked great tonight.

Just no finish as always.

There's a lot of players that would love to get his chances.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by TheAlpineOracle

I sit up in the PLs. You could see what was going to happen on that rush about 2 seconds before it happened. Bartowski has slow foot speed and when you combine that with a low hockey IQ, it’s not going to lead. To good results.

Hahaha! What?!

Bartkowski is a sub-par player, but one thing he is not is slow. He is a terrific skater.

This was a frustrating game. The Flames owned the Canucks and should have blitzed them, but Maarkstrom was fantastic. First star on a night he allowed three goals.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

This is true. Is there an equally talented yet underperforming player out there who might benefit from a change of scenery?

I think it's a bit early to give up on Bennett but at the same time I would suspect Tre is getting calls and listening to offers.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by TheAlpineOracle

Bennett would fetch next to nothing in a trade right now. His upside significantly outweighs the junk we’d get back. Nothing to gain and all to lose for the Flames.

I'll agree to disagree and leave at that. I doubt futher discussions would change things

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by GoJetsGo

You are perhaps one of the biggest contrarians on this site, so excuse me if I find that rich coming from you.

And you know I was pointing out that deciding "ties" aren't really wins was the nonsensical part. There's just no reason to to do that. That warranted criticism.

We're very early in the season, and the team has played well as of late despite the result tonight.

I was very clear in saying the points all count, and they don't need to apologize for being good at 3 on 3 and shootouts, but that a team's record in 60 minutes is an indicator. That's not being contrarian.

You know what you are doing.