[PGT] Canucks 5 Flames 3

[Saint Troy]

PK still isn’t good, they allow so many easy zone entries it’s ridiculous...Good thing Bartkowski is right handed playing RD, as GG demands, oh wait...

[zamler]

Originally Posted by Infinit47

GG seems like the most stubborn coach of all time. It's like he refuses to win unless it's his one specific way. Super frustrating.

Great way to put it. Win the right way or don't win at all.

[Frank MetaMusil]

Originally Posted by corporatejay

Levels lower than GG, which I suspect is the same level as you so let's cut out that argument.

You don't think GG knows that his top line is better than his fourth line? By that logic why manage minutes at all. Why don't they just keep the first line out all game? It's the coaches job to manage his bench to have them play at their optimum level. He also has to consider an 82 game schedule. I assume he's in a better position to make that decision than I am.

First of all, you asked the question. Don't just dismiss that shortening the bench is a valid strategy because you don't think it is.

Here's a better question then. What would you feel is a fair criticism for the coach if bench management isn't?

[Benched]

I could have watched johhny do his thing for another few hours. Top line and him in particular looked stellar.

[killer_carlson]

Totally my fault we lost.

I got home from work, turned on the TV and Vancouver scored the 2 quick third period goals.

Never should have turned the tv on.

[locsofblu]

Didn't watch but not surprised our 3rd and 4th lines weren't on the score sheet.

[TheAlpineOracle]

If GG pulls Smith and shortens the bench I fully
Believe we get a point minimum, if not win in regulation.

[Strange Brew]

So by my count the Flames are 4 wins, 7 losses and 4 ties if you factor out the gimmick play. They certainly deserved a better fate tonight but that is still a little concerning. There is no need to apologize for being good at 3 on 3 and OT, but that is not a good 60 minute record.

[Bawbag]

Originally Posted by locsofblu

Didn't watch but not surprised our 3rd and 4th lines weren't on the score sheet.

They did get plenty of ice tho....

[GoJetsGo]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

So by my count the Flames are 4 wins, 7 losses and 4 ties if you factor out the gimmick play. They certainly deserved a better fate tonight but that is still a little concerning. There is no need to apologize for being good at 3 on 3 and OT, but that is not a good 60 minute record.

lol

[Dion]

http://flames.ice.nhl.com/club/galle...n=/photos&pg=1

[Racki]

Next game Lack should start in net and Mike Smith should take Bartkowski's spot.

[corporatejay]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

So by my count the Flames are 4 wins, 7 losses and 4 ties if you factor out the gimmick play. They certainly deserved a better fate tonight but that is still a little concerning. There is no need to apologize for being good at 3 on 3 and OT, but that is not a good 60 minute record.

That gimmick play has been around for 12 years. It's part of the system, like it or not. They are 8-7.

[Major Major]

Originally Posted by Frank MetaMusil

I expect him to do his job. Shortened benches work all the time, these are pro athletes. It's not short sighted to sit your crappy 4th line at home when you have last change at all.

What level of coaching are you offering this opinion from?

It's clear as day that GG, much like treliving, is not result driven in his decision making. That is, after all, why they were both hired. And if he is ever to be fired and tre gets to hire another coach, that coach will also be process driven.

And out of that comes rolling 4 lines, easing rookies in, not adjusting to a risky offensive style when down, all things that are maddening when looked at through the fan lens. But there is a reason to operate this way, and it is 100% organizational. When you call for a different coach for these reasons, you're really asking for a whole new hockey ops team.

I'm not saying it will work for sure, but these guys still have quite a bit of slack with me.

If they were to dramatise losses like some do here, including you at this very second, this team's mental strength would be terrible.

[corporatejay]

Originally Posted by Major Major

It's clear as day that GG, much like treliving, is not result driven in his decision making. That is, after all, why they were both hired. And if he is ever to be fired and tre gets to hire another coach, that coach will also be process driven.

And out of that comes rolling 4 lines, easing rookies in, not adjusting to a risky offensive style when down, all things that are maddening when looked at through the fan lens. But there is a reason to operate this way, and it is 100% organizational. When you call for a different coach for these reasons, you're really asking for a whole new hockey ops team.

I'm not saying it will work for sure, but these guys still have quite a bit of slack with me.

If they were to dramatise losses like some do here, including you at this very second, this team's mental strength would be terrible.

Great post.

Like people have said here, you play this game 100 times and the flames win 90-95 of them. That's what GG is going for, play the game, do your job and we will min 59% of the time, which is a great winning percentage.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by Bawbag

They did get plenty of ice tho....

Are you sure about that?

Brouwer - 11:17
Lazar - 9:12
Bennett - 13:12

What about Versteeg? Do you think he didn't deserve his 14:35 of ice time?

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by corporatejay

That gimmick play has been around for 12 years. It's part of the system, like it or not. They are 8-7.

True but don't you think a team's 60 minute record is indicative of something? What's the point of tracking Corsi and other advanced stats, but arguing the actual score doesn't matter?

I'm not saying the points don't count.

[Wyguy]

Originally Posted by Major Major

It's clear as day that GG, much like treliving, is not result driven in his decision making. That is, after all, why they were both hired. And if he is ever to be fired and tre gets to hire another coach, that coach will also be process driven.

And out of that comes rolling 4 lines, easing rookies in, not adjusting to a risky offensive style when down, all things that are maddening when looked at through the fan lens. But there is a reason to operate this way, and it is 100% organizational. When you call for a different coach for these reasons, you're really asking for a whole new hockey ops team.

I'm not saying it will work for sure, but these guys still have quite a bit of slack with me.

If they were to dramatise losses like some do here, including you at this very second, this team's mental strength would be terrible.

I understand that and think that is valid. But at what point do you shorten the bench. For exaggeration purposes, let's bring us to game 7 of the Stanley cup final 3 mins left in the game and we are down by one. I would have to say that the 4th line gets the butt. They are done, the first and second line only, and maybe the third line. I think that is a pretty obvious move because it is the right move. The Stanley Cup is on the line after all... If using this reasoning brings us to the conclusion for such a high stake game skipping the 4th line is valid and the correct move by the coach, why not always make what is considered the correct move in all games?

[GoJetsGo]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

True but don't you think a team's 60 minute record is indicative of something? What's the point of tracking Corsi and other advanced stats, but arguing the actual score doesn't matter?

I'm not saying the points don't count.

Once again, we've lost a few we deserved to win, and won a few we deserved to lose. It tends to even out, but if we look at the trend, it's been several solid games in a row for the Flames now.

Your decision to pipe up with the nonsensical "I look at them as ties" take is as irrelevant as it is odd.

[corporatejay]

Originally Posted by Wyguy

I understand that and think that is valid. But at what point do you shorten the bench. For exaggeration purposes, let's bring us to game 7 of the Stanley cup final 3 mins left in the game and we are down by one. I would have to say that the 4th line gets the butt. They are done, the first and second line only, and maybe the third line. I think that is a pretty obvious move because it is the right move. The Stanley Cup is on the line after all... If using this reasoning brings us to the conclusion for such a high stake game skipping the 4th line is valid and the correct move by the coach, why not always make what is considered the correct move in all games?

see my post above about managing minutes. There is no tomorrow in the playoffs. They have 67+(hopefully) game left.