I think publicly hating the image while secretly reveling in it is itself a classic Calgary tradition.
I've mentioned it in the past in this thread, but the people of Calgary reacted pretty much the same way in the 1950s when the new arena was called the "Corral". They hated the western connotation. So much so that the Calgary Stampeders hockey team threatened to pull media credentials from reporters who refused to call the arena by name.
And the thing is, I'd bet 90% of the people who complain about these things participate in Calgary Stampede events in one form or another.
I often wonder if these are the same people that complain about the city not having any culture.
Because most people in Calgary work for an industry that has pushed the true cowboy lifestyle off the land. So its really a slap in the face for folks to put on their designer jeans for 10 days and pretend to be cowboys. If you've had to deal with oil and gas on the ranch, you'd know what i'm talking about.
Sorry - quote function didn't work - but this was in response to Textcritic's question earlier about why some in Calgary question the heritage.
Because most people in Calgary work for an industry that has pushed the true cowboy lifestyle off the land. So its really a slap in the face for folks to put on their designer jeans for 10 days and pretend to be cowboys. If you've had to deal with oil and gas on the ranch, you'd know what i'm talking about.
Sorry - quote function didn't work - but this was in response to Textcritic's question earlier about why some in Calgary question the heritage.
Wait—what???
The jaded ranchers are put off by Calgary’s Stampede heritage because the O&G bureaucrats like to dress up like cowboys? That just does not make a lick of sense.
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Rather than #### specifically on any one aspect of the opening, I will suggest that the Flames opening is symptomatic of their larger failings of in-game presentation.
It is so over the top in cheeseball theatrics. The wrestling fans out there will understand this reference: it is a series of cheap pops. It's CJ92 with some corporate stampede branding. It's so transparent for both it's cheapness and it's pandering.
It's one of those things where I really wonder: Do Calgarians of today actually enjoy this? Is this getting positive feedback from seasons ticket holders? Is their audience that captive?
I don't know anything about George Canyon, but I can tell you from watching him for what, the last season and a half?, I get the sincere impression of insincerity from the whole production.
I think that's actually a significant contributor to the library atmosphere. The game presentation is boring.
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I'm surprised by the hate over the singer. I was at the game and turned over to my buddy to say that the singer actually got me hyped for her rendition. She is a very good singer and she delivered a very inspired anthem. Something that made the game feel very important given the importance she portrayed when singing the anthem. I like George but his singing is so boring that it doesn't do much to light any fire in the fans. Just my two cents.
Because most people in Calgary work for an industry that has pushed the true cowboy lifestyle off the land. So its really a slap in the face for folks to put on their designer jeans for 10 days and pretend to be cowboys. If you've had to deal with oil and gas on the ranch, you'd know what i'm talking about.
Sorry - quote function didn't work - but this was in response to Textcritic's question earlier about why some in Calgary question the heritage.
yes because Ranchers have been turning down land royalty cheques and mineral rights (for some) for almost 100 years? Right....thats exactly how it went down in Alberta.
yes because Ranchers have been turning down land royalty cheques and mineral rights (for some) for almost 100 years? Right....thats exactly how it went down in Alberta.
Only an urban cowboy would think it comes down to the money. But enough of this here, i think it belongs in off topic forum. The point about someone from the Stampede Grounds having a problem with 'Yahoo' was a good one. But then again i don't here that come out of the mouth of many cowboys these days. Time to move on.
Only an urban cowboy would think it comes down to the money. But enough of this here, i think it belongs in off topic forum. The point about someone from the Stampede Grounds having a problem with 'Yahoo' was a good one. But then again i don't here that come out of the mouth of many cowboys these days. Time to move on.
The Stampede has pretty good events and educational elements that pay a lot of respect to cowboys, ranchers, farmers, and First Nations people. I suggest checking it out. It’s a great part of our culture, pays respect to our history and the lives of those who are more in-touch with the land, and is a lot more than designer jeans and deep fried Oreos.
Feel free to message me if you’d like tips on how to experience the Stampede outside of the Cowboys tent.
Also, the "true cowboy lifestyle" is not actually a thing. The Stampede, and the traditions it created, were always an invention for entertainment purposes. So ranchers actually getting upset about non-ranchers participating in an invented tradition that never bore much actual resemblance to what they do now or a century ago is more than a little silly.
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Rather than #### specifically on any one aspect of the opening, I will suggest that the Flames opening is symptomatic of their larger failings of in-game presentation.
It is so over the top in cheeseball theatrics. The wrestling fans out there will understand this reference: it is a series of cheap pops. It's CJ92 with some corporate stampede branding. It's so transparent for both it's cheapness and it's pandering.
It's one of those things where I really wonder: Do Calgarians of today actually enjoy this? Is this getting positive feedback from seasons ticket holders? Is their audience that captive?
I don't know anything about George Canyon, but I can tell you from watching him for what, the last season and a half?, I get the sincere impression of insincerity from the whole production.
I think that's actually a significant contributor to the library atmosphere. The game presentation is boring.
Only an urban cowboy would think it comes down to the money. But enough of this here, i think it belongs in off topic forum. The point about someone from the Stampede Grounds having a problem with 'Yahoo' was a good one. But then again i don't here that come out of the mouth of many cowboys these days. Time to move on.
I am so far from any type of cowboy, urban or other. Nice try. Oil and gas push ranchers off of what? 100 square meters of land that they lease from them. Ranchers that traditionally have hundreds of acres. Yes....you are right...those evil O&G bastards robbing farmers and ranchers of their land while making them wealthy for doing nothing. You don't even know what you are talking about. You are flapping off at the mouth and now, even you, realize it.
The Flames have never known how to build a crowd up, ever. Hockey is engrained in Canadian culture and other Canadian teams have done decent to excellent jobs on working with that. The Flames have always taken the US non-hockey market approach of making lots of goofy loud noise and lame pump up videos like it's a wrestling event.
I know darn well this will be mocked by macho sports fans because of the songs involved but the "where the streets have no name" and "fix you" intros at Habs and Canucks games are examples of intros that allow the fans to be the star of the moment and take over the atmosphere, while creating a very traditional experience, like you're truly watching the sport of hockey in it's birthplace.
The Flames have always stupidly played really heavy, overbearing rock/metal songs that they think creates atmosphere because they don't know a single lick about enticing a crowd into being the atmosphere vs attempting to BE the atmosphere.
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We have literally one cd that we play songs off from, used in the last 5 years! I can almost predict ever song that comes up next while I'm at the dome. The ring of fire song is lame and boring.
Some places have interpreted player chosen goal songs when they score. Why not mix it up?
The Flames have always stupidly played really heavy, overbearing rock/metal songs that they think creates atmosphere because they don't know a single lick about enticing a crowd into being the atmosphere vs attempting to BE the atmosphere.
Not really, no. Most of the complaints I've heard over the years revolved around the times the Flames have gone with non-heavy rock songs and how dull they made things. Lost Prophets' "Rooftops" from a few years ago being a major example. On the one hand, this possibly only argues that the Flames are just terrible at picking songs in both directions, but anecdotally, I think a majority prefers the harder songs.
That being said, I think Flash was complaining about the entire game presentation from start to finish. In that regard, I've never found the Flames to be any better or worse than other arenas I've been to. There are some that were clearly worse (Edmonton and 99% of their presentation being Simpsons clips and fans stuffing their faces) and some that were better (Vegas, as one would expect). Most just follow the same playbook, it seems.
That being said, I think Flash was complaining about the entire game presentation from start to finish. In that regard, I've never found the Flames to be any better or worse than other arenas I've been to. There are some that were clearly worse (Edmonton and 99% of their presentation being Simpsons clips and fans stuffing their faces) and some that were better (Vegas, as one would expect). Most just follow the same playbook, it seems.
Agreed. I'm not sure which NHL teams have more entertaining music, videos, intro and anthems then the Flames. All NHL (or any professional sporting events) I've attended have been very similar.
Guess we can only complain about Brouwer for so long... onto the next topic haha.
The Flames have never known how to build a crowd up, ever. Hockey is engrained in Canadian culture and other Canadian teams have done decent to excellent jobs on working with that. The Flames have always taken the US non-hockey market approach of making lots of goofy loud noise and lame pump up videos like it's a wrestling event.
I know darn well this will be mocked by macho sports fans because of the songs involved but the "where the streets have no name" and "fix you" intros at Habs and Canucks games are examples of intros that allow the fans to be the star of the moment and take over the atmosphere, while creating a very traditional experience, like you're truly watching the sport of hockey in it's birthplace.
The Flames have always stupidly played really heavy, overbearing rock/metal songs that they think creates atmosphere because they don't know a single lick about enticing a crowd into being the atmosphere vs attempting to BE the atmosphere.
To the Flames game presentation team: The videos and clips you show on the Enmax Energy Board are gold. Keep them coming. But.. visit MSG, copy, replace red/white/blue with red/gold/black, paste. In my experiences there, it's been electric from the pre-game right through to the final buzzer. Music, goal songs, crowd participation (to make noise or win prizes etc.). The goal celebration is the best I've seen live (although 3 other places I've visited, the Flames have shut-out the home team )
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