Woman gets jail for cocaine smuggling

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by rubecube

If addicts could get clean, legal heroin or cocaine at the same or similar price as street-level stuff, cut with who knows what, they're going to go for the clean stuff. The other option, one that I believe is being run in some of the Scandinavian countries, is to provide addicts with "free" drugs at safe injection sites. It sounds counterintuitive but it really undercuts organized crime's ability to still target addicts with dirtier and cheaper drugs.

Ya, like I said I can see the argument for some of the hard drugs, but not fentanyl, and is "clean" meth a good idea? You'd really have to have a lot of experts decide which ones are ok for harm reduction, and which ones would never qualify for that.

[Nage Waza]

I also support free drugs for the down and out. Those that are committing break and enters, car prowlings, etc. are often selling what they stole for next to nothing so they can buy drugs. People like me and you are the victims. When I lived downtown you would see these guys all over the place, strung out, looking to steal anything.

Just give them the drugs, just like we give them food and shelter. I believe studies have proven free drugs reduces assorted crime.

[Zulu29]

Originally Posted by Nage Waza

I also support free drugs for the down and out. Those that are committing break and enters, car prowlings, etc. are often selling what they stole for next to nothing so they can buy drugs. People like me and you are the victims. When I lived downtown you would see these guys all over the place, strung out, looking to steal anything.

Just give them the drugs, just like we give them food and shelter. I believe studies have proven free drugs reduces assorted crime.

Couldn’t agree more, the cost of supplying the drugs is far less than the negative impacts on society. Way too many thefts, robberies and other violent crime committed by people simply trying to feed their addiction and not be dope sick. Not to mention, when they inevitably get caught they are further marginalized. I would like to see more social housing for addicts, more safe injection and needle exchange programs and more outreach with the aim of detox/treatment.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

I should point out here that the purity or otherwise of heroin wont stop overdoses, people overdose because they misjudge their level of tolerance after a few weeks in jail or trying to get clean or the like, if you gave everyone an easily available source of known purity the increased number of addicts and their increased consumption (as lack of money is the only check on an active addicts use) would probably see just as many OD's

Well except that the addition of fentanyl has turned an already bad situation into an all-out epidemic.

[missdpuck]

Ha. Someone tried to trick me into something like this years ago. Yeah, I am sure there was lots of one-of-a-kind and designer clothing going from Curaçao to NYC. Pfft.

I happened to mention I made one of a kind clothing to some guy who lived in Curacao. His buddy did own a legit boutique in NYC. But why would I have to fly from Curacao to NYC to sell my clothes to his boutique? Jeez. Amazing the crap people pull.

In any case, rehab is great until it comes to your town.

South Florida is a haven for this stuff and it has destroyed the quality of life in some places.

And getting people to relapse is a very lucrative business.

I could tell you some stories.

DO NOT send anyone you care about to rehab here. Some folks look at rehab through rose-colored shades for sure.

Some very naive but well-meaning people send their loved ones to South Florida for rehab. Please, if you know anyone who intends to do that, tell them to do some extremely exhaustive research.

Florida makes tons of money from tourism, the service industries, rehab and psych wards. Lots of corruption in these areas; perhaps more so than in places that have different economies.

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by rubecube

Well except that the addition of fentanyl has turned an already bad situation into an all-out epidemic.

while true most addicts overdose from prescription drugs in the states, Oxy's, if you make drugs more available and cheaper, which legalization or decriminalization inevitably does, then while you save some addicts from the effects of stronger street drugs you will have a larger number of people using with an increased level of overdoses from that in of itself.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

while true most addicts overdose from prescription drugs in the states, Oxy's, if you make drugs more available and cheaper, which legalization or decriminalization inevitably does, then while you save some addicts from the effects of stronger street drugs you will have a larger number of people using with an increased level of overdoses from that in of itself.

I would hope that any legalization effort would also come with a strong education campaign that would include things like dosing guidelines.

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by rubecube

I would hope that any legalization effort would also come with a strong education campaign that would include things like dosing guidelines.

You haven't spent a lot of time around Junkies have you?

[afc wimbledon]

My old foster son who's 28 has overdosed around 40 times, that's full on needed a narcan shot and an ambulance to stop him dying right there and then, he's still on the junk, he knows more about the risks of drugs than any young man should, I have his mothers ashes in my office for safe keeping she died of an overdose last year.

Education about risk is pointless to addicts who know full well they will die very quickly

[missdpuck]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

My old foster son who's 28 has overdosed around 40 times, that's full on needed a narcan shot and an ambulance to stop him dying right there and then, he's still on the junk, he knows more about the risks of drugs than any young man should, I have his mothers ashes in my office for safe keeping she died of an overdose last year.

Education about risk is pointless to addicts who know full well they will die very quickly

Down here cities are in severe financial straits from having to save people with Narcan. Apparently that in itself is an epidemic!

[monkeyman]

The thing about a lot of these drugs, is, after the initial high, you're constantly chasing that same high, having to use higher and higher doses to achieve it. So essentially, you're asking the government to create an environment in which illegal dealers can thrive once users have outgrown legal limits. opening the door even a little to such addictive, destructive narcotics and behaviour is a huge mistake.

[Zulu29]

Originally Posted by missdpuck

Down here cities are in severe financial straits from having to save people with Narcan. Apparently that in itself is an epidemic!

Really? Paramedics have told me narcan is cheap.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

You haven't spent a lot of time around Junkies have you?

Dude, two of my best friends are junkies. Iost another last year. Please don't make assumptions.

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by rubecube

Dude, two of my best friends are junkies. Iost another last year. Please don't make assumptions.

well then why are you suggesting education would do a damn thing to modify their behaviour? they know the gear is going to kill them

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by Zulu29

Really? Paramedics have told me narcan is cheap.

Most drugs are cheap in Canada, aint the same in the states where free enterprise is apparently keeping the price down

[missdpuck]

Originally Posted by Zulu29

Really? Paramedics have told me narcan is cheap.

Wish I had the time to post the links- One article was “Cost of Naloxene soars”. This is in Palm Beach county anyway.

I believe Delray Beach was mentioned.

It’s not uncommon to find used needles in the local parking lot. Even the expensive neighbors on the beach have the problem as many rehab places are in nice residential neighborhoods.

I realize these programs may be successful elsewhere; they are just poorly run and barely regulated down here.

[Resolute 14]

Update on one of the other ladies in jail for this: She didn't even have the "I took a big loan from bad people and had to work it off" excuse that OP's smuggler did. She did it all for the likes.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montr...alia-1.4876903

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[Weitz]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

Update on one of the other ladies in jail for this: She didn't even have the "I took a big loan from bad people and had to work it off" excuse that OP's smuggler did. She did it all for the likes.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montr...alia-1.4876903

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Pretty interesting read. I find it hilarious the one guy in Quebec knows essentially everything about the operation and just gets off scot free.

[Resolute 14]

Yep. In my headcanon, he's actually "sugar daddy" and tipped authorities off to distract from his larger shipment. And this being Quebec, he's probably a significant ...uhh... donor to politicians and the policemans union.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

Yep. In my headcanon, he's actually "sugar daddy" and tipped authorities off to distract from his larger shipment.

The same guy who tipped them off already suggested that though, that would take some major balls:

Chiasson himself suggested Australian law enforcement only seized a fraction of the total shipment.

"It's 100 times bigger than you think," he told Enquête this month. "There was a tonne that was unloaded before."

I feel like CBC isn't going to go around implying Sugar Daddy is Soussan without some real belief and strong evidence that he is.