Mass Shooting November 5 Texas Church

[zamler]

Originally Posted by oldschoolcalgary

its almost like people don't understand what an amendment is...

Explain it to me and how it could be used to ban all guns in the United States. Seriously I don't know.

[transplant99]

Im no lawyer but this would suggest to me that the government cannot in fact just make it illegal to own anything more powerful than a pellet gun and still be within its constitutional rights.

In Caetano v. Massachusetts (2016), the Supreme Court reiterated its earlier rulings that "the Second Amendment extends, prima facie, to all instruments that constitute bearable arms, even those that were not in existence at the time of the founding" and that its protection is not limited to "only those weapons useful in warfare".

Am I misunderstanding what that ruling means?

[oldschoolcalgary]

Originally Posted by zamler

Can't do that without changing the constitution. I know I know but it is what it is.

Originally Posted by zamler

Explain it to me and how it could be used to ban all guns in the United States. Seriously I don't know.

an amendment is a change to the Constitution.

people seem to think that the Constitution is some immutable document.

Its not.

the constitution has been changed, or "amended", 27 times in its history

Changes can be made, that's why the founding fathers called it a "Living Document"...

Just because half the government is filled with NRA lackies, sycophants and cowards doesn't mean that the Constitution couldn't be amended to reflect the change from muskets to AR-15s.
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[missdpuck]

At least change the “collector” loophole. That’s pathetic.

[Street Pharmacist]

Awful stat

[edslunch]

This is way beyond a gun problem. Why the F do people decide to go out in a blaze of glory so often? It permeates the whole society with the prevalence of violence in movies, video games, the fetishization of weapons and the military, increasing incivility, I could go on. Unfortunately we in Canada share most of the same media and culture so I worry we will head down the same path, albeit more slowly. The one big difference is our attitude towards guns, which generally negative both personally and political. I would fight anyone who wants to make our gun laws more liberal as it's a slippery slope to greater acceptance and normality.

[Minnie]

So it's a day that ends in Y in the US. Huh. Imagine.

[metallicat]

26 year old white terrorist, in case anyone hadn't heard yet.

[Flash Walken]

That's the thing, it's not anything other than a gun problem, because the only place this happens with any regularity is in places with easy access to guns: The US and the Third World.

This has nothing to do with man's state in nature it's entirely about easy reliable access to the means to create mass carnage.

That is what has made this situation more than frustrating to once again hear about. It's about the freakin' guns.

[Baron von Kriterium]

A private citizen engaged (ie, shot at) the shooter. That engagement caused the shooter to flee.

[photon]

Originally Posted by Baron von Kriterium

A private citizen engaged (ie, shot at) the shooter. That engagement caused the shooter to flee.

I've heard people say that but I haven't seen it confirmed anywhere, have you seen a source for that?

[Baron von Kriterium]

Originally Posted by photon

I've heard people say that but I haven't seen it confirmed anywhere, have you seen a source for that?

Yeah. The press conference.

[DuffMan]

Originally Posted by calf

I look at mass shootings like a public health and safety issue than a political one. Many people are being injured and killed in the US every day. Immediate action is taken if people are at risk from a virus, or if people are killed by a terrorist group, or when a natural disaster strikes*...mass shootings, nothing ever happens. Ever. It is tragic.

The republicans yanked all funding for gun studies by the CDC, by orders of the NRA.

[DuffMan]

Originally Posted by llwhiteoutll

And the 2nd Amendment be damned right?

Yes.

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by llwhiteoutll

So you're basically suggesting that somehow the government ban and "somehow" remove from circulation the following:

- Anything semi-auto
- Any lever action
- Anything pump action
- Anything that can accept a magazine (including bolt action)
- People who can fire a bolt action quickly and accurately
- Flechette and 00 shotgun rounds

Notwithstanding the constitution issues and the fact that a lot of LE would not enforce a law like this, how would you go about collecting them and finding the hundreds of billions of dollars needed to buy them back?

Whilst I am well aware that the US doesn't want this and so it isn't going to happen it is by no means difficult or expensive if the political will and public desire exists, the government has no obligation to buy anything back, they just make possession and offence and start collecting and arresting those that don't give up their guns, if there is political and public will then there are no constitutional issues, an amendment can be cancelled, the 2nd amendment can be taken out of the constitution with the stroke of a pen,

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by photon

I've heard people say that but I haven't seen it confirmed anywhere, have you seen a source for that?

Sounds like most of the damage had been done, but a local did shoot at the gunman apparently.

As the shooter was fleeing from the scene, a local resident grabbed his weapon and "engaged that suspect," Martin said, causing the suspect to drop the rifle.
"Our local citizen pursued the suspect at that time," he said.
Law enforcement officials followed the shooter, who fled in his vehicle. He ran himself off the roadway, and officials found him dead in his vehicle.
It is not immediately clear if the shooter died from a self-inflicted wound or if he was shot by the local resident, Martin said.

http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/loc...hp?ipid=brkbar

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

Whilst I am well aware that the US doesn't want this and so it isn't going to happen it is by no means difficult or expensive if the political will and public desire exists, the government has no obligation to buy anything back, they just make possession and offence and start collecting and arresting those that don't give up their guns, if there is political and public will then there are no constitutional issues, an amendment can be cancelled, the 2nd amendment can be taken out of the constitution with the stroke of a pen,

And support of 75% of the states who would have to have a vote to ratify.

It is much much more than just a stroke of a pen.

[oldschoolcalgary]

lol yup...

more guns clearly will solve the problem in the western democracy that already has the most militarized citizenry in the world.... which also has the most mass shootings in the world...

wow...like, it's almost a causal relationship...

http://www.cnn.com/2017/10/03/americ...ics/index.html

thought and prayers, everyone, thoughts and prayers.

see you in a couple of weeks
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[_Q_]

Originally Posted by edslunch

This is way beyond a gun problem. Why the F do people decide to go out in a blaze of glory so often? It permeates the whole society with the prevalence of violence in movies, video games, the fetishization of weapons and the military, increasing incivility, I could go on. Unfortunately we in Canada share most of the same media and culture so I worry we will head down the same path, albeit more slowly. The one big difference is our attitude towards guns, which generally negative both personally and political. I would fight anyone who wants to make our gun laws more liberal as it's a slippery slope to greater acceptance and normality.

Canada will never turn into the United States, because Canada isn't governed like a third world country.

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by transplant99

And support of 75% of the states who would have to have a vote to ratify.

It is much much more than just a stroke of a pen.

I'm not suggesting it would either happen or be easy but any view of US history shows clearly that every few decades they go nuts about something or other, I doubt anyone in a bar in 1900 would have believed the country would ban booze in a decade or so