Woman gets jail for cocaine smuggling

[Zulu29]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Surely you can provide some evidence of this... any at all....

You know what, I can’t. I went to go pull articles to support my position and found that the original findings of marihuana laced with fentanyl have been debunked. I stand corrected.

My point with regards to claiming crack and heroin being less destructive than alcohol still stands.

[Zulu29]

Originally Posted by Weitz

I’m more curious how you would even lace weed with fentynal.

Cross contamination would be the only way I guess

[CampbellsTransgressions]

Originally Posted by Weitz

I’m more curious how you would even lace weed with fentynal.

You mix the fentanyl with dextrose and use a proper gyroscopic mixer.

The argument against lacing marijuana in the past was that the drugs used to lace were more expensive. That's not the case with fentanyl.

Edit: though I suppose at 1000mg/ml and a lethal dose of 2 mg, it'd be hard to do without coating the weed in dextrose and still ending up with a lethal dose of fentanyl.

[rubecube]

I think people missed the point I was making. I'm not saying that cocaine, etc., is less harmful than alcohol. I'm saying legalizing them wouldn't result in an increase of use that puts them on par with the destruction that alcohol causes.

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by Weitz

I’m more curious how you would even lace weed with fentynal.

boil up your fentynal with some water to create a suspension then sprinkle it over the weed, dry then smoke.

[monkeyman]

Originally Posted by Poster

The logic is to take the profit and quality control out of the hands of organized crime.

organized crime isn't going away, it'll just focus on something else, something cheaper, more potent, more addictive, more destructive. what next, the government should start legalizing Krokodil and high potency Fentanyl to compete?

[Zulu29]

Originally Posted by monkeyman

organized crime isn't going away, it'll just focus on something else, something cheaper, more potent, more addictive, more destructive. what next, the government should start legalizing Krokodil and high potency Fentanyl to compete?

Already here, called W18

[monkeyman]

Originally Posted by Zulu29

Already here, called W18

I'll be sure to ask about it next time I'm at 7-11.

[Weitz]

Originally Posted by Zulu29

Already here, called W18

Is that carfentynal? I thought that was the name of the high potency stuff.

[Zulu29]

Originally Posted by Weitz

Is that carfentynal? I thought that was the name of the high potency stuff.

Nope different stuff, carfentanyl is another potent synthetic opiate but this W18 stuff is apparently up to 100 times more potent than fentanyl. The big worry from a health services stand point is that the main anti-dote naloxone doesn’t counter it’s effects.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Weitz

I’m more curious how you would even lace weed with fentynal.

The biggest question would be why. There’s really no benefit to lacing weed, unless the dealer actually wants to kill their customers.

People who smoke weed aren’t looking to feel like they’re on heroin. And you’d make a lot more money selling them heroin if they were.

[Weitz]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

The biggest question would be why. There’s really no benefit to lacing weed, unless the dealer actually wants to kill their customers.

People who smoke weed aren’t looking to feel like they’re on heroin. And you’d make a lot more money selling them heroin if they were.

Yah, that would have been question number 2.

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

The biggest question would be why. There’s really no benefit to lacing weed, unless the dealer actually wants to kill their customers.

People who smoke weed aren’t looking to feel like they’re on heroin. And you’d make a lot more money selling them heroin if they were.

To compete with shatter, a weed extract you buy at your local medicinal outlet (described by my old foster kid as, and I'm quoting here 'the closest thing to Heroin I've ever tried and bear in mind I've tried Heroin') but at a much less expensive price point, Fentynal is cheap, really, really, cheap, you just send off for it in the mail from China and it comes in an envelope along with some crappy USB chargers or the like.

I'm not saying it is being mixed with weed but its definatly being mixed with coke, and that makes even less sense to me, the two highs being so different but not being an addict maybe there's something I'm missing, I would say half of our overdoses deaths here right now are casual coke users getting a lousy batch of product.

[Poster]

Originally Posted by monkeyman

organized crime isn't going away, it'll just focus on something else, something cheaper, more potent, more addictive, more destructive. what next, the government should start legalizing Krokodil and high potency Fentanyl to compete?

That’s no reason not to protect citizens from these parasites

Legalize all drugs, control the supply chain, invest those new resources into combatting organized crime.

Harm prevention, not Keeping up with prohibition , needs to be the focus.

[Nage Waza]

The reality is the drugs are there already, and there is a major supply chain set up to support the illegal trade. Unfortunately, the supply chain is fraught with danger, crime, exploitation and murder.

The fact we are still arguing about this stuff is kind of pathetic. Legalize it all, keep the users safe, keep bystanders safe, and perhaps save money on budgets dedicated to fighting the war on drugs. What a huge waste of time.

So many lives have been lost due to complete ignorance on such a simple topic.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

I'm not saying it is being mixed with weed but its definatly being mixed with coke, and that makes even less sense to me, the two highs being so different but not being an addict maybe there's something I'm missing, I would say half of our overdoses deaths here right now are casual coke users getting a lousy batch of product.

I believe the reason it’s cut into drugs like Coke is because of cost. A minuscule amount of fentanyl can give a substantial high, so you can cut much much less of the other product (coke, heroin, w/e) and add more filler, but charge the same.

The cost benefit isn’t the same with marijuana. It’s not like marijuana is being sold with 20% pure marijuana and 80% filler. You’re just adding to the product, not substituting anything at a lower cost.

[Fuzz]

I understand the "legalize everything" argument, and it makes sense for some stuff but you can't really legalize something like fentanyl. It's used in hospitals, and dosages are carefully calculated with the patient monitored the whole time. This isn't something you can sell in dime bags at 7-11. Their isn't really a safe recreational way to use it.

Now, if you legalized a bunch of the other stuff, and concentrated law enforcement on people pedaling things like fentanyl and meth you might make a dent in the issue. It would take some real work to decide which drugs would have a societal benefit by legalizing and ensuring purity, and those that have no merit.

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

I believe the reason it’s cut into drugs like Coke is because of cost. A minuscule amount of fentanyl can give a substantial high, so you can cut much much less of the other product (coke, heroin, w/e) and add more filler, but charge the same.

The cost benefit isn’t the same with marijuana. It’s not like marijuana is being sold with 20% pure marijuana and 80% filler. You’re just adding to the product, not substituting anything at a lower cost.

I suspect the abilty to turn non hydroponic outside grown cheap weed, borderline shake, and give it a massive kush like body stone effect for a few cents might make it worthwhile, I'm not saying I'm sure but I can see an economic driver

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

I understand the "legalize everything" argument, and it makes sense for some stuff but you can't really legalize something like fentanyl. It's used in hospitals, and dosages are carefully calculated with the patient monitored the whole time. This isn't something you can sell in dime bags at 7-11. Their isn't really a safe recreational way to use it.

Now, if you legalized a bunch of the other stuff, and concentrated law enforcement on people pedaling things like fentanyl and meth you might make a dent in the issue. It would take some real work to decide which drugs would have a societal benefit by legalizing and ensuring purity, and those that have no merit.

If addicts could get clean, legal heroin or cocaine at the same or similar price as street-level stuff, cut with who knows what, they're going to go for the clean stuff. The other option, one that I believe is being run in some of the Scandinavian countries, is to provide addicts with "free" drugs at safe injection sites. It sounds counterintuitive but it really undercuts organized crime's ability to still target addicts with dirtier and cheaper drugs.

[afc wimbledon]

I should point out here that the purity or otherwise of heroin wont stop overdoses, people overdose because they misjudge their level of tolerance after a few weeks in jail or trying to get clean or the like, if you gave everyone an easily available source of known purity the increased number of addicts and their increased consumption (as lack of money is the only check on an active addicts use) would probably see just as many OD's