Kevin Spacey accused of attempted rape by Anthony Rapp when he was 14

[troutman]

Originally Posted by ASP#26525

This #### has been going on since Hollywood was a thing. Errol Flynn was one of the worst (I just listened to a Dollop podcast episode about him and it threw me for a loop):

https://www.thehairpin.com/2013/02/s...e-errol-flynn/

“Back then we had a secret code among us actresses to warn each other about the creeps,” McKinnon’s Goldry said. “The code was ‘he raped me.’ That way if men were listening they would tune us out. Easy peasy.” - Kate McKinnon as her recurring character SNL Debette Goldry, a Golden Age Actress

[afc wimbledon]

Bearing in mind all we are talking about is what we believe I find it bizarre anyone would bother to defend Allen in any way, his affair with his step daughter was discovered when he was in his late 50's and she was 21, clearly he had viewed her as a sexual object before the affair was discovered, normal people don't 'eff there step children at any age, let alone in their late teens, I don't give a flying fig what the Farrow household was like that makes no difference to the fact that Allen didn't even have the decency to take advantage of some aspiring teen age actress like Harvey bloody Weinstien, he decided there was a greater thrill in preying on his own vunerable family

[blankall]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

Bearing in mind all we are talking about is what we believe I find it bizarre anyone would bother to defend Allen in any way, his affair with his step daughter was discovered when he was in his late 50's and she was 21, clearly he had viewed her as a sexual object before the affair was discovered, normal people don't 'eff there step children at any age, let alone in their late teens, I don't give a flying fig what the Farrow household was like that makes no difference to the fact that Allen didn't even have the decency to take advantage of some aspiring teen age actress like Harvey bloody Weinstien, he decided there was a greater thrill in preying on his own vunerable family

She wasn't his step-child. She was one of 10 adopted children that Mia Farrow had, that Allen had little or no interaction with.

I also find it very weird. But Farrow was not raising a normal family. The fact that Allen and Soon Yi's relationship has kept on going also makes it seem less weird. It's also a big jump to go from Allen starting a relationship with a woman in her 20s to wanted to molest his own 7 year old daughter.

[afc wimbledon]

If a I marry a woman who has an adopted daughter then that daughter becomes my step daughter.

Having spent a lifetime working with both pedophiles and their victims I can say categorically that finding a dysfunctional mother with kids is a very, very, common way of accessing would be victims if you are a pedophile, everything about Allen's 'relationship' with his step daughter screams pedo/heabophile, that another girl in the family has also accused him is just extra grist to an already very full mill.

Now he isn't going to jail, marrying the child pretty much ensured that, so all we are argueing about is what we choose to believe, under the circumstances I find it weird you would defend a guy who is obviously, self admittedly a total predator with no concern for the effects of his actions on his family what so ever.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

If a I marry a woman who has an adopted daughter then that daughter becomes my step daughter.

Having spent a lifetime working with both pedophiles and their victims I can say categorically that finding a dysfunctional mother with kids is a very, very, common way of accessing would be victims if you are a pedophile, everything about Allen's 'relationship' with his step daughter screams pedo/heabophile, that another girl in the family has also accused him is just extra grist to an already very full mill.

Now he isn't going to jail, marrying the child pretty much ensured that, so all we are argueing about is what we choose to believe, under the circumstances I find it weird you would defend a guy who is obviously, self admittedly a total predator with no concern for the effects of his actions on his family what so ever.

She does not become your step daughter unless you stand in the role of the father. If the daughter lives somewhere else and you have little interaction with her, she does not become your step daughter. Once again, the living arrangements of Mia and her family were very odd. She had children living in different residences. Her and Allen did not live together for the most part.

If what Mosses Farrow is stating is true, then what Mia has done is extremely damaging to Dylan. It's probably ruined her life.

I'm not defending Allen. I'm just stating what I suspect the facts are. Once again, I don't know if he molested a 7 year old. Him having an affair with a 20 year old adopted daughter of Mia is not normal, but far from conclusive evidence that he would molest a child.

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by blankall

She does not become your step daughter unless you stand in the role of the father. If the daughter lives somewhere else and you have little interaction with her, she does not become your step daughter. Once again, the living arrangements of Mia and her family were very odd. She had children living in different residences. Her and Allen did not live together for the most part.

If what Mosses Farrow is stating is true, then what Mia has done is extremely damaging to Dylan. It's probably ruined her life.

I'm not defending Allen. I'm just stating what I suspect the facts are. Once again, I don't know if he molested a 7 year old. Him having an affair with a 20 year old adopted daughter of Mia is not normal, but far from conclusive evidence that he would molest a child.

Legally she's his step daughter, it has sod all to do with whether he was an absent step father or not, he married the girls mum, normal human beings don't then look at her and think 'Mia's getting a bit long in the tooth, I think I'll start shagging her step daughter', normal human beings don't make that jump if the daughters in her thirties for gods sake.

But as you say there is no conclusive proof, just a boat load of clear evidence that Allen is a very sick puppy that likes very young girls in what was his family, given that I cannot understand why anyone who isnt a judge or jury would question the word of his other daughter when he's effing one of them already.

[Wormius]

This has devolved into an argument over semantics again.

[afc wimbledon]

At this point I am reminded of Ava Gardners quote on Mia Farrow and Frank Sinatra

"I always knew Frank would end up in bed with a boy."

[blankall]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

Legally she's his step daughter, it has sod all to do with whether he was an absent step father or not, he married the girls mum, normal human beings don't then look at her and think 'Mia's getting a bit long in the tooth, I think I'll start shagging her step daughter', normal human beings don't make that jump if the daughters in her thirties for gods sake.

But as you say there is no conclusive proof, just a boat load of clear evidence that Allen is a very sick puppy that likes very young girls in what was his family, given that I cannot understand why anyone who isnt a judge or jury would question the word of his other daughter when he's effing one of them already.

Legally he is not Soon-Yi's step daughter. If he did not live with her and did not consistently act as her father, then he is not a step-father. A finding of who is and who is not a "step-parent" is based on looking at the entirety of the facts, unless there has been a formal process like adoption.

I'm also not commenting on whether or not his relationship with Soon-Yi was normal. I have stated many times I don't think it was. It was definitely creepy and weird.

[afc wimbledon]

If I marry a women with a 30 year old daughter who is married herself with a couple of kids and lives on the other side of the country I am still her step father legally, the term is completely irrelevant of my quality as a father or time spent living together.
If Soon Yi was Farrow's legally adopted daughter (which she was) then as soon as Allen married Farrow she became his step daughter.

If you wish to believe the creepy weird guy that married his step daughter, quite possibly to keep her quiet about when he started shagging her, didn't diddle the other daughter, well I find that a odd position to take.

I assume any woman that accuses Weinstein of abusing them is telling the truth, I don't think he should be jailed without trial nor do I think its impossible that someone would lie about it but at this point right now he's clearly a creepy rapey bastard and as I have to choose who to believe I'm believing the accuser, not the guy I know is a scumbag

[blankall]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

If I marry a women with a 30 year old daughter who is married herself with a couple of kids and lives on the other side of the country I am still her step father legally, the term is completely irrelevant of my quality as a father or time spent living together.
If Soon Yi was Farrow's legally adopted daughter (which she was) then as soon as Allen married Farrow she became his step daughter.

If you wish to believe the creepy weird guy that married his step daughter, quite possibly to keep her quiet about when he started shagging her, didn't diddle the other daughter, well I find that a odd position to take.

I assume any woman that accuses Weinstein of abusing them is telling the truth, I don't think he should be jailed without trial nor do I think its impossible that someone would lie about it but at this point right now he's clearly a creepy rapey bastard and as I have to choose who to believe I'm believing the accuser, not the guy I know is a scumbag

Legally you're wrong on the test of a step parent. Soon Yi was in no way legally Woody Allen's daughter at any point in time. She was also in her 20s when she began her relationship with Allen. Being attracted to a woman in her 20s, who happens to be the adoptive daughter of your wife, is entirely different than wanting intercourse with your own 7 year old daughter. I don't see the link there at all.

I don't even know why I'm participating in this anymore. I don't even like Woody Allen's movies or feel strongly about him in any way. I just think it's probable that he did not molest a 7 year old girl based on:
1. the evidence of Moses Farrow, the supposed victim's brother.
2. the victim's and Mia's contradictory statements.
3. the timing and circumstances of the event.

I also don't know what this has to do with Harvey Weinstein. You are stating because he is a serial rapist, anybody else who you think is creepy is automatically guilty?

[Cecil Terwilliger]

Originally Posted by blankall

Legally you're wrong on the test of a step parent. Soon Yi was in no way legally Woody Allen's daughter at any point in time. She was also in her 20s when she began her relationship with Allen. Being attracted to a woman in her 20s, who happens to be the adoptive daughter of your wife, is entirely different than wanting intercourse with your own 7 year old daughter. I don't see the link there at all.

I don't even know why I'm participating in this anymore. I don't even like Woody Allen's movies or feel strongly about him in any way. I just think it's probable that he did not molest a 7 year old girl based on:
1. the evidence of Moses Farrow, the supposed victim's brother.
2. the victim's and Mia's contradictory statements.
3. the timing and circumstances of the event.

I also don't know what this has to do with Harvey Weinstein. You are stating because he is a serial rapist, anybody else who you think is creepy is automatically guilty?

Not just you, everyone involved in this woody allen discussion. Let's move to another thread or call it a day.

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by blankall

Legally you're wrong on the test of a step parent. Soon Yi was in no way legally Woody Allen's daughter at any point in time. She was also in her 20s when she began her relationship with Allen. Being attracted to a woman in her 20s, who happens to be the adoptive daughter of your wife, is entirely different than wanting intercourse with your own 7 year old daughter. I don't see the link there at all.

I don't even know why I'm participating in this anymore. I don't even like Woody Allen's movies or feel strongly about him in any way. I just think it's probable that he did not molest a 7 year old girl based on:
1. the evidence of Moses Farrow, the supposed victim's brother.
2. the victim's and Mia's contradictory statements.
3. the timing and circumstances of the event.

I also don't know what this has to do with Harvey Weinstein. You are stating because he is a serial rapist, anybody else who you think is creepy is automatically guilty?

No, I'm trying to point out to you that you are choosing to believe the word of a weird creepy bastard with a known sexual interest in his wife's female kids or one of the kids, who, to the best of my knowledge has never accused anyone else of diddling her, I think its a very strange position to take.

And no, the relationship didn't start when the girl was in her 20's, his naked photos of her were found when she was 21, we have no idea when he started shagging her, and as long as he looks after her I doubt she's saying a thing.
Probably applies to the brother as well.

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

Not just you, everyone involved in this woody allen discussion. Let's move to another thread or call it a day.

fair enough

[Cecil Terwilliger]

I mean it's an interesting debate, don't get me wrong. I just think it is taking away from the focus of this thread. And I say that as the person who I think first mentioned Woody Allen in this thread.

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

I mean it's an interesting debate, don't get me wrong. I just think it is taking away from the focus of this thread. And I say that as the person who I think first mentioned Woody Allen in this thread.

I think the relevant issue to the thread is who do we choose to believe, and as hundreds of much beloved figures are about to go down I suppose this is important. I recognise that my choice given the little information involved that I have is massively removed from proof.

[cDnStealth]

http://variety.com/2017/tv/news/netf...ds-1202607002/

“House of Cards” star Kevin Spacey has been suspended from the Netflix drama amid mounting claims of sexual assault.

Producer Media Rights Capital took the action of suspending Spacey Friday evening. A source close to the production tells Variety that the move is legally necessary first step toward Spacey’s eventual termination.

Netflix, meanwhile, said Friday that it would not move forward with any version of “House of Cards” that includes Spacey — and that it would cancel the Gore Vidal biopic, “Gore,” which was set to star the two-time Oscar-winning actor.

“Netflix will not be involved with any further production of House of Cards that includes Kevin Spacey,” a spokesman for Netflix said in a statement. “We will continue to work with MRC during this hiatus time to evaluate our path forward as it relates to the show.”

“While we continue the ongoing investigation into the serious allegations concerning Kevin Spacey’s behavior on the set of ‘House of Cards,’ he has been suspended, effective immediately,” MRC said in a statement. “MRC, in partnership with Netflix, will continue to evaluate a creative path forward for the program during the hiatus.”

[Coach]

Interesting they have such a strong stance on Spacey and are mum on Masterson’s involvement in The Ranch. His allegations are a decent level worse.

[Hockey Fan #751]

Originally Posted by MattyC

Interesting they have such a strong stance on Spacey and are mum on Masterson’s involvement in The Ranch. His allegations are a decent level worse.

Maybe it has to do with how Spacey behaved directly on set.

[Itse]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

Legally she's his step daughter

Allen was never married to Farrow, nor did she adopt Soon-Yi.