Kevin Spacey accused of attempted rape by Anthony Rapp when he was 14

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by RichKlit

Wait am I missing something? Age of consent is as low as 14 in some places in Canada? So as in no matter the age difference as long as the child is 14 it's ok? That can't be right?

No age of consent is 16 for everyone (as long as not in position of authority). The age of consent is 14 if the couple are within 5 years of each other (i.e. a 19 year old and 14 year old are legally allowed to consent with one another).

This is a relatively new age of consent, up until recently (2008) the age of consent was 14.

[zamler]

Marrying someone that was your daughter in any context is very disturbing.

[RichKlit]

Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

No age of consent is 16 for everyone (as long as not in position of authority). The age of consent is 14 if the couple are within 5 years of each other (i.e. a 19 year old and 14 year old are legally allowed to consent with one another).

This is a relatively new age of consent, up until recently (2008) the age of consent was 14.

Thanks for clearing it up, I'm still a little shocked that even 16 is ok.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

He was not tried. Although your point stands in that he was never convicted of anything. Still when one daughter accuses him of rape, and he marries the other daughter (sorry, daughter of long-time girlfriend that he first met when she was 9 and considered himself paternal to) I think I can call him creepy and immoral and not have second thoughts about it. Not that it matters what I think.

He married an adult adopted daughter of Mia Farrow.

Once again, you simplifying the molestation case and insinuating Allen did it is pretty far fetched.

And yes, he wasn't tried, but only because there wasn't enough evidence in the pre-trial hearings to proceed with a trial. Dylan Farrow's own doctor, the head of the Yale–New Haven Hospital Child Sexual Abuse Clinic, gave sworn testimony evidence that Dylan likely invented the story. Dylan's older brother Moses gave evidence that there was no opportunity for Allen to molest Dylan, as they were surrounded by people the whole time of the dinner. It's also very strange that these allegations came to light only after Allen's relationship with Soon-Yi became public.

Once again, no one, besides Allen himself, really knows what happened, but you're insinuating that he is guilty, despite evidence to the contrary.

[Itse]

Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

What about molesting his 7-year old daughter in 1992?

Dylan Farrow has accused him of sexual assault. In 1993 the Connecticut State Attorney prosecutor said that they had probably cause to charge him for it, but Dylan - then 8 - was too fragile to go through the trial. To this day she contends she was sexually assaulted by her adopted father Woody Allen.

Yeah, honestly I don't know and luckily I haven't had to thought about that. I tend to side on "innocent until proven guilty in a court of law", unless there's a really compelling reason to act differently. Woody Allen is kind of far away from where I'm standing.

If I was personally involved with him (through work or otherwise) I would probably consider my stand again.

Also Woody Allen's own quote "I'm 35 years older, and somehow, through no fault of mine or hers, the dynamic worked. I was paternal. She responded to someone paternal."

Kind of ruins the argument that he didn't believe himself to be paternal to her.

Granted, although let's be fair, a lot of people seek a maternal/paternal figure. There's nothing wrong with age difference as such.

I'm definitely not cool with it, but ultimately I still think especially at this point it's none of anyone else's business.

[CliffFletcher]

With all these stories and allegations coming out (Dustin Hoffman now too), and how commonplace this behaviour evidently has been, you gotta imagine there are dozens of entertainment industry big wigs sweating bullets and updating their social media feeds every 5 minutes.

[CaptainCrunch]

Soon we're going to have movies getting A list money directed by C level directors starring people we've never heard of before.

20th Century Fox presents a Stephen Spielbergo production starring exciting new talent Lindsay McGrath, Doug Steen and Alison Redford in . . . . Rush hour 4 the new batch.

[zamler]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

Soon we're going to have movies getting A list money directed by C level directors starring people we've never heard of before.

Good.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by blankall

He married an adult adopted daughter of Mia Farrow.

Who he met when she was 9. Mia Farrow and Woody Allen began dating in 1979. Soon-Yi Previn was born in 1970. Even if they did begin their sexual relationship when Soon-Yi was in her late teens, Woody Allen was still the common law husband of her mother, father of her siblings, for her formative years.

The biggest irony here is that Woody Allen contends that Dylan Farrow was an impressionable young woman when she was 'corrupted' by her bitter mother to believe she was sexually assaulted. Yet doesn't see the problem in "grooming" another suggestable 9 year old into becoming his lover when she is of age. He even concedes he was paternal to her. Sorry, it's gross and immoral to enter into a relationship of someone you helped raise from when they were 9 years old..regardless of the amount of which you helped raise them. Period.

Originally Posted by blankall

And yes, he wasn't tried, but only because there wasn't enough evidence in the pre-trial hearings to proceed with a trial.

Again, your point stands that Allen was never convicted and I concede that. But your mistaken in a lot of what you wrote. The Connective State Attorney did believe there was probably cause, but believed Dylan was too fragile to go through with the trial, not the same as saying there wasn't enough evidence.

Originally Posted by blankall

Dylan Farrow's own doctor, the head of the Yale–New Haven Hospital Child Sexual Abuse Clinic, gave sworn testimony evidence that Dylan likely invented the story.

The doctor that signed off on that report never examined Dylan, the report was not accepted as reliable evidence by Judge Wilk.

Originally Posted by blankall

Dylan's older brother Moses gave evidence that there was no opportunity for Allen to molest Dylan, as they were surrounded by people the whole time of the dinner.

This is disputed by adults there that day. A babysitter present testified that Allen and Dylan went missing for 20 minutes. Another stated that Dylan was not wearing underwear under her dress that night afterwards.

Dylan herself disputes most of the claims you repeated in this article:
http://www.cnn.com/2014/02/08/showbi...nse/index.html

Whether he did or did not rape Dylan we will never know, and you can certainly prescribe to the innocent until proven guilty mantra which I think is noble under most circumstances. I still find him despicable for grooming a 9 year old. And I don't really care for much debate, Allen himself said he was paternal to her, he was the partner to her mother, father of her half-brother. That's reprehensible to me.

Coincidentally, that half-brother, Ronan Farrow, did the investigation report on Harvey Weinstein's sexual assualt allegations.

[KevanGuy]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

With all these stories and allegations coming out (Dustin Hoffman now too), and how commonplace this behaviour evidently has been, you gotta imagine there are dozens of entertainment industry big wigs sweating bullets and updating their social media feeds every 5 minutes.

I wonder if any comediennes will come forward and confirm the Louis CK rumours.

[corporatejay]

Originally Posted by KevanGuy

I wonder if any comediennes will come forward and confirm the Louis CK rumours.

The CK rumours came from a podcast with Kirkman which she has since clarified.

https://www.avclub.com/jen-kirkman-s...-th-1818543488

[KevanGuy]

Originally Posted by corporatejay

The CK rumours came from a podcast with Kirkman which she has since clarified.

https://www.avclub.com/jen-kirkman-s...-th-1818543488

The rumours didn't come from her podcast and she admits nothing happened to her. She doesn't seem super relevant to the story, if there is one.

[Huntingwhale]

We're gonna need an ongoing Hollywood Sexual Harassment thread made up pretty quick at this rate.

[Coach]

Originally Posted by Huntingwhale

We're gonna need an ongoing Hollywood Sexual Harassment thread made up pretty quick at this rate.

Yeah that's really what this should be.

And honestly the title needs to change. What Spacey did was gross and over the line, but attempted rape is a serious accusation and it is not what allegedly happened.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by MattyC

And honestly the title needs to change. What Spacey did was gross and over the line, but attempted rape is a serious accusation and it is not what allegedly happened.

I disagree. By definition he is accused of a sexual assault that would have turned into statutory rape if he had his way. He, allegedly, literally attempted to rape someone. He may not have resorted to violence, force or date-rape drugs, but his (alleged) intention was rape.

And I've said that before, but I think it's important because not all rape involves violence or force. A teacher sleeping with his 14 year old student, whether she/he physically forced them to do so, is rape. Saying that because no force is involved it was not rape, is a disservice to those being taken advantage of and may continue the mindset that "they were asking for it" or "they wanted it" just because they didn't say no to the advances of the adult didn't mean they weren't raped.

He attempted to sleep with a 14 year old.

Sleeping with a 14 year old is rape.

Ergo, he attempted to rape.

Allegedly.

[northcrunk]

Originally Posted by Huntingwhale

We're gonna need an ongoing Hollywood Sexual Harassment thread made up pretty quick at this rate.

This is probably a good idea. We are only seeing the beginning of the flood gates open. There are many more to still come. Some involving children.

[Sliver]

Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

I disagree. By definition he is accused of a sexual assault that would have turned into statutory rape if he had his way. He, allegedly, literally attempted to rape someone. He may not have resorted to violence, force or date-rape drugs, but his (alleged) intention was rape.

And I've said that before, but I think it's important because not all rape involves violence or force. A teacher sleeping with his 14 year old student, whether she/he physically forced them to do so, is rape. Saying that because no force is involved it was not rape, is a disservice to those being taken advantage of and may continue the mindset that "they were asking for it" or "they wanted it" just because they didn't say no to the advances of the adult didn't mean they weren't raped.

He attempted to sleep with a 14 year old.

Sleeping with a 14 year old is rape.

Ergo, he attempted to rape.

Allegedly.

I preferred when there used to be more of a distinction between the terms rape and consensual statutory rape. Rape seems much harsher than consensual statutory rape.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by Sliver

I preferred when there used to be more of a distinction between the terms rape and consensual statutory rape. Rape seems much harsher than consensual statutory rape.

There's no such thing as consensual statutory rape. By definition, you can't consent to rape. Call it non-forceful statutory rape if you need clarification, but let's not confuse consent with something else which the law says can never be given in a statutory rape situation.

I can understand the argument between rape and statutory rape though. I just think rape should be the standard, as you can use adjectives to describe it. Violent rape, date rape, statuary rape. Then if you have a preference for which one is worse, that's your prerogative.

[calgaryblood]

Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

What about molesting his 7-year old daughter in 1992?

Dylan Farrow has accused him of sexual assault. In 1993 the Connecticut State Attorney prosecutor said that they had probably cause to charge him for it, but Dylan - then 8 - was too fragile to go through the trial. To this day she contends she was sexually assaulted by her adopted father Woody Allen.

Also Woody Allen's own quote "I'm 35 years older, and somehow, through no fault of mine or hers, the dynamic worked. I was paternal. She responded to someone paternal."

Kind of ruins the argument that he didn't believe himself to be paternal to her.

Ok didn't know the whole story or he was accused of molestation.

Kind of sad I've never heard of any of this. He's creepy AF.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by northcrunk

This is probably a good idea. We are only seeing the beginning of the flood gates open. There are many more to still come. Some involving children.

This is why Hollywood power are waiting with baited breath. I wonder when someone like Drew Barrymore or any of the other child actors really start flooding forward to telling their story.

I mean, frankly I can't imagine it will be long before we hear about Dana Plato's terrible experiences.