10-31-2017, 01:23 PM
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So, this is roughly the reaction I expected when I opened the thread... Who exactly opposes this? Why hasn't it been done already? Where is the pressure coming from to maintain the status quo, anyway?
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10-31-2017, 01:23 PM
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#22
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Originally Posted by iggy_oi
I agree the laws need to be adjusted for sure, but keep in mind they are there for a reason.
I’m curious though as to why you label them as counter-productive. Unless of course you just mean they prevent you from getting from sober to drunk at the rate of speed you would prefer. Which is fair enough 
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Got me curious, what's the reason exactly?
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10-31-2017, 01:25 PM
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Originally Posted by WCan_Kid
Got me curious, what's the reason exactly?
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Prohibition. And it's long continued effects.
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10-31-2017, 01:28 PM
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Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague
So, this is roughly the reaction I expected when I opened the thread... Who exactly opposes this? Why hasn't it been done already? Where is the pressure coming from to maintain the status quo, anyway?
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10-31-2017, 01:30 PM
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Are there really that many Helen Lovejoys out there at this point?
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10-31-2017, 01:32 PM
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Seems a non-issue to me. I am assuming the more meaningful laws will still be enforced such as severe public intoxication, littering etc. Carrying a drink isn't a problem.
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10-31-2017, 01:51 PM
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Originally Posted by lazypucker
So what's next? People allowed to smoke weed on the streets? Legal prostitution?
A serious question aside, can we legally smoke weed in public places like cigarettes after July 1 next year?
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The most/only objectionable aspect of marijuana consumption in public is the smell.
Get a vape pen. Convenience is second to none, no smell, no mess, easier on the lungs; you're simply dealing with a much purer product.
When legalization takes effect, smoking the dried flowers is going to fall out of favor rather quickly, IMO. One vial would last most people months, and people are going to want to find a workaround to whatever anti-smoking bylaws they put in place.
And 100% yes you should be able to walk down the street with a drink in your hand.
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10-31-2017, 01:54 PM
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That's not how it works anywhere else where it is legal so I am not sure why people expect to smoke wherever you want in AB.
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As of right now, that does appear to be the proposed law once it's legalized: https://www.alberta.ca/cannabis-framework.aspx#p6241s4
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Consuming cannabis
Albertans will be allowed to consume cannabis in their homes and in some public spaces where smoking tobacco is allowed, but use will be banned in cars.
Although many Albertans said they supported having cannabis cafes or lounges, Alberta will not initially have any venues specific to consuming cannabis. We will revisit this issue once our system for cannabis is established and once the federal government makes decisions about edible cannabis products.
In an effort to protect children and limit second-hand exposure, public smoking or vaping of cannabis in Alberta will be restricted from areas frequented by children, from hospitals and school properties, from vehicles and from any place where tobacco is restricted. There will also be no consumption of cannabis at any cannabis retail outlets.
Our approach to consuming cannabis will continue to restrict where smoking – of cannabis or tobacco – can occur. We will continue our efforts to keep smoking out of enclosed spaces and away from workers and others who may be exposed to second-hand smoke.
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Now, "areas frequented by children", could conceivably be anywhere that children aren't specifically prohibited, so, we'll see what the actual regulations say when they're finalized.
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10-31-2017, 02:02 PM
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^^^It sure does seem like we're getting privatized cannabis retail stores. People don't agree with me about this, but I firmly believe the cannabis policy of the NDP will play a large role in the next election. If they do it right, they can hold it up as an example of playing nice with business, not injecting government where it doesn't need to be, and diversifying the Alberta economy.
If they go with the public model, they should pack their desks now.
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10-31-2017, 02:03 PM
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Duplicate - delete
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10-31-2017, 02:08 PM
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Originally Posted by WCan_Kid
Got me curious, what's the reason exactly?
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Because not everyone can be expected to behave in as mature of a manner as everyone in this thread will behave
The existing laws like the ones for public intoxication, underage drinking, etc.. will still help to hold people accountable, but those laws already exist and the issues still arise even with regulations that currently ensure some form of supervision while drinking in a public place. The current laws also isolate areas where drinking is allowed in public, so it makes dealing with any current issues associated with public drinking a little easier because there are only so many areas where you can drink. This makes it so police can more easily plan around that. When you take away the boundaries the issues are no longer isolated to expected areas. That isn’t to say those problems can’t be addressed, but it’s not as simple as changing the law without expecting any kind of downside.
As a side note. It’s kind of ironic that businesses are pushing for this since one would think it would negatively impact all the bars and pubs in the area.
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10-31-2017, 02:30 PM
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Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague
Are there really that many Helen Lovejoys out there at this point?
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There doesn't have to be many.
- Proposal made that affects 10,000 people.
- 9,000 people are indifferent.
- 950 people express their support.
- 50 people express their concerns, including SAFETY.
- Proposal fails.
That's the society we live in - risk aversion trumps all other considerations. You should see the restrictions on what our kids were allowed to wear to school for Halloween today.
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10-31-2017, 02:34 PM
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Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague
So, this is roughly the reaction I expected when I opened the thread... Who exactly opposes this? Why hasn't it been done already? Where is the pressure coming from to maintain the status quo, anyway?
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Baby boomers. Baby boomers have all the property and money.
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10-31-2017, 02:42 PM
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Wouldn't this be bad for bar / pub owners? I guess if you can just take your own beer and drink it anywhere outside, there is really less reason to go to a bar or pub - except when the weather sucks.
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10-31-2017, 02:47 PM
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Or good for them, as then I can now buy an extra beer when I'm about to leave a pub to walk down 17th to head to the Dome for the game.
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10-31-2017, 02:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Wormius
Wouldn't this be bad for bar / pub owners? I guess if you can just take your own beer and drink it anywhere outside, there is really less reason to go to a bar or pub - except when the weather sucks.
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In most of Europe and the UK people can walk around with open liquor. Doesn't seem to hurt business.
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10-31-2017, 03:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Wormius
Wouldn't this be bad for bar / pub owners? I guess if you can just take your own beer and drink it anywhere outside, there is really less reason to go to a bar or pub - except when the weather sucks.
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In New Orleans, some places had take out windows where you can just buy a drink in a plastic cup and go for a walk. If a place is extremely busy this is a bonus for them as it keeps generating sales from people that don't necessarily want to hang out inside and get the full service experience. I can see a place like national doing well with this concept.
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10-31-2017, 03:17 PM
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In Arizona you could shop at Ruff's Guns, Liquor and Ammo. They also had a drive thru.
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10-31-2017, 03:19 PM
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Originally Posted by CliffFletcher
In most of Europe and the UK people can walk around with open liquor. Doesn't seem to hurt business.
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Are you trying to suggest bars and pubs in Europe wouldn’t likely to see an increase in business if people couldn’t drink for cheaper in public?
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10-31-2017, 03:22 PM
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what?
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