The trials and tribulations of Glen Gulutzan

[Flash Walken]

I'm sure you'll convince him any moment now.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by JFK

I'll admit to being pretty wishy-washy about GG but how much better could our PP be if you take Versteeg off and just load it with our top players.

Gaudreau - Monahan - Brouwer
Brodie - - - - Versteeg

should be

Tkachuk - Monahan - Gaudreau
Giordano - - - - Hamilton

Gaudreau would have more options and more time on his off wing on the powerplay. Hamitlon might not have the hardest shot but he's got the most accurate and quick wrist shot on the team from the backend. Tkachuk deserves a larger role and allows more controlled board work with him on the first unit.

The Flames aren't the most talented group in the NHL but they're much better then Versteeg and Brouwer on the first PP unit.

Completely agree.

First of all... Tkachuk. How can any coach on this planet have Brouwer in front of the net on the 1st PP, while Tkachuk is sitting on his bench. It is absolutely astounding that this change hasn't been made yet.

Then, what I like about the rest of that 5 is that either Hamilton of Giordano can slide down to the left or right wall. And, either one of them can be the canon at the top. This makes the PP way more dynamic: 2 shooters (Hamilton and Giordano), 3 side-wall play makers (Gaudreau, Giordano and Hamilton), Monahan floating in the middle in case any assignments are dropped, and Tkachuk, with very soft hands plus the ability to get it done down low, in front of the net.

That PP would be infinitely more talented, and more dynamic, than what they are parading out there right now.

[Backlunds_socks]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Like it or not "micro" stats are telling.

A team on a win streak with terrible underlying numbers usually (not always) stumbles. Whereas a team that is sputtering with good underlying numbers usually turn it around.

SURE and win loss ratio means jack

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Backlunds_socks

SURE and win loss ratio means jack

After 12 games? Pretty much.

[Backlunds_socks]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

After 12 games? Pretty much.

Well I’m looking at last year also plus the amazing advanced stats playoff run the flames had.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Backlunds_socks

Well I’m looking at last year also plus the amazing advanced stats playoff run the flames had.

Last year when the Flames were running with different goalies and defence core? How will that tell you much about how they will perform this season?

[Backlunds_socks]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

Last year when the Flames were running with different goalies and defence core? How will that tell you much about how they will perform this season?

I guess so. Your right mate, I’ll get the jack Adams ready.

[The Fonz]

"Rule #10: a relentless display of dumbassery will result in a ban."

CP isn't an 'Official' Flames board - it does not need to be politically correct. You've got the power, mods!

[belsarius]

The Flames Win/Loss record for the tail end of last season, the playoffs and to start this season match the Chicago Blackhawks. So I guess they are bottom feeders that need to fire their coach into the sun too? Take out 10 wins from the Blackhawks last year and they don't look so good! What a disaster of a team. Blow it up!

Or such a small sample size isn't a great indicator of the ability of a team.

[VilleN]

Originally Posted by Backlunds_socks

I guess so. Your right mate, I’ll get the jack Adams ready.

A sarcastic response. Nearly as good as providing a counter argument.

I don't know if GG is a good coach or not. After our slow start last season we looked pretty good, one of the best teams in the league for the latter half, top 1/3 special teams. Watch last years playoffs again, we were competitive in almost every single game, had we gotten decent goaltending the series likely goes 6 or 7 games. Losing to a very good Anaheim team 1 year removed from selecting 6th overall is progress.

Are we a little slow out of the gates this year? Yes, definitely. So are a lot of good teams. Also, a lot of bad teams are starting out the season very strong. Do you really believe Vancouver, Colorado and Vegas will be playoff teams come April? I'd put money down that all 3 of them will be golfing. The bottom line is: It's too early to make an assessment of of this (or any) team. So far GG has a pretty good record (making the playoffs was the goal last year, it was achieved), this year we're looking to take the next step - which in my opinion would be making it past the first round.

[Backlunds_socks]

Originally Posted by VilleN

A sarcastic response. Nearly as good as providing a counter argument.

I don't know if GG is a good coach or not. After our slow start last season we looked pretty good, one of the best teams in the league for the latter half, top 1/3 special teams. Watch last years playoffs again, we were competitive in almost every single game, had we gotten decent goaltending the series likely goes 6 or 7 games. Losing to a very good Anaheim team 1 year removed from selecting 6th overall is progress.

Are we a little slow out of the gates this year? Yes, definitely. So are a lot of good teams. Also, a lot of bad teams are starting out the season very strong. Do you really believe Vancouver, Colorado and Vegas will be playoff teams come April? I'd put money down that all 3 of them will be golfing. The bottom line is: It's too early to make an assessment of of this (or any) team. So far GG has a pretty good record (making the playoffs was the goal last year, it was achieved), this year we're looking to take the next step - which in my opinion would be making it past the first round.

This is crazyness.......... I'm not going out and saying anyone else is wrong, I'm just saying that I don't agree and GG is a terrible post.

For that, people have asked I be banned, called me a dumb ass and a lot more. People here just want bandwagonary - people who think the same, all others need not apply.

Its nearly as if the protectors of GG want the last word or me to change my mind.

The rose colored glasses here are crazy, just 2 months ago people were throwing 3+ million at Bennet.

[VilleN]

Originally Posted by Backlunds_socks

This is crazyness.......... I'm not going out and saying anyone else is wrong, I'm just saying that I don't agree and GG is a terrible post.

For that, people have asked I be banned, called me a dumb ass and a lot more. People here just want bandwagonary - people who think the same, all others need not apply.

Its nearly as if the protectors of GG want the last word or me to change my mind.

The rose colored glasses here are crazy, just 2 months ago people were throwing 3+ million at Bennet.

What is craziness? That I think responding sarcastically without backing up your point isn't a constructive way to debate? I said I didn't know if GG was a good coach or not, but through his tenure thus far the Flames have shown progress. You then quoted my response and then proceeded to make a post that had absolutely nothing to do with what I said. Refute my points and I may concede or offer reasons why I disagree.

[Backlunds_socks]

Originally Posted by VilleN

What is craziness? That I think responding sarcastically without backing up your point isn't a constructive way to debate? I said I didn't know if GG was a good coach or not, but through his tenure thus far the Flames have shown progress. You then quoted my response and then proceeded to make a post that had absolutely nothing to do with what I said. Refute my points and I may concede or offer reasons why I disagree.

My response was a reply to your observation of my sarcasm.

[Backlunds_socks]

Originally Posted by VilleN

A sarcastic response. Nearly as good as providing a counter argument.

I don't know if GG is a good coach or not. After our slow start last season we looked pretty good, one of the best teams in the league for the latter half, top 1/3 special teams. Watch last years playoffs again, we were competitive in almost every single game, had we gotten decent goaltending the series likely goes 6 or 7 games. Losing to a very good Anaheim team 1 year removed from selecting 6th overall is progress.

Are we a little slow out of the gates this year? Yes, definitely. So are a lot of good teams. Also, a lot of bad teams are starting out the season very strong. Do you really believe Vancouver, Colorado and Vegas will be playoff teams come April? I'd put money down that all 3 of them will be golfing. The bottom line is: It's too early to make an assessment of of this (or any) team. So far GG has a pretty good record (making the playoffs was the goal last year, it was achieved), this year we're looking to take the next step - which in my opinion would be making it past the first round.

Being competitive and getting swept in the playoffs is irrelevant, you just got swept, who cares if you nearly kept up with the big boys.

Your second paragraph is all conjecture. We don't know how the season shakes out but thus far what we do know is, even with amazing goal tending, the team has NOT taken a step forward.

[ForeverFlameFan]

Originally Posted by Backlunds_socks

This is crazyness.......... I'm not going out and saying anyone else is wrong, I'm just saying that I don't agree and GG is a terrible post.

For that, people have asked I be banned, called me a dumb ass and a lot more. People here just want bandwagonary - people who think the same, all others need not apply.

Its nearly as if the protectors of GG want the last word or me to change my mind.

The rose colored glasses here are crazy, just 2 months ago people were throwing 3+ million at Bennet.

And a game ago you wanted GG fired. So that makes you crazy too.

[Red Slinger]

The issue isn't that you take a contrary opinion to others. When you have asked a question or made a statement, others have answered your question or countered your statement with statistics or evidence. You could produce your own statistics or evidence but instead have chosen to ignore the information you've been given and continue to ask the same questions and make the same statements followed by a sarcastic reply.

You are a record on repeat and it's annoying. I don't care if you get banned or not but you are not adding to the conversation here. There are a lot of contrary opinions on this forum but most of them are backed up with some reasonable, rational explanation and nobody is calling for their banning. Rather than play victim of "mob mentality" maybe you should improve your posting style.

[Backlunds_socks]

Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan

And a game ago you wanted GG fired. So that makes you crazy too.

I still do.

[VilleN]

Originally Posted by Backlunds_socks

Being competitive and getting swept in the playoffs is irrelevant, you just got swept, who cares if you nearly kept up with the big boys.

Your second paragraph is all conjecture. We don't know how the season shakes out but thus far what we do know is, even with amazing goal tending, the team has NOT taken a step forward.

You were being sarcastic... and I pointed it out and insinuated that you should back up your points, how is that craziness?

My point is that we were a lottery team the year before GG, he was hired and we became a playoff team who, despite being swept, actually put up a good fight against a very good Anaheim team - if we had better goal tending it likely would not have been a sweep, you can't put that on the coach.

Most of what goes on on these forums is conjecture, a practice you engage in regularly, so i don't know what the relevance of pointing it out is. With amazing goal tending this team hasn't taken a step forward, correct. They also haven't taken a step back. They are at .500 after 12 games. Even the best teams in the league have stretches that long of .500 hockey or worse throughout a season. The sample size is too small to judge GG on THIS season. Judge last season - as I said previously, without GG we were a lottery team, with GG we made the playoffs - fairly significant progress. Obviously, not all the progress is because of GG, but some is. Just as any of the Flames shortcomings aren't all on GG, but some likely are.

Based on the results, it doesn't look like he's a poor coach... please convince me otherwise. I don't think you can, based on the results the Flames have improved during his tenure. IF come April the Flames look worse, or haven't shown improvement we can have the discussion about GG, but, IMO to say he's not a good head coach at this point doesn't really seem fair.

[ForeverFlameFan]

Originally Posted by Backlunds_socks

I still do.

Not everyone gets what they want.

[Backlunds_socks]

Originally Posted by Red Slinger

The issue isn't that you take a contrary opinion to others. When you have asked a question or made a statement, others have answered your question or countered your statement with statistics or evidence. You could produce your own statistics or evidence but instead have chosen to ignore the information you've been given and continue to ask the same questions and make the same statements followed by a sarcastic reply.

You are a record on repeat and it's annoying. I don't care if you get banned or not but you are not adding to the conversation here. There are a lot of contrary opinions on this forum but most of them are backed up with some reasonable, rational explanation and nobody is calling for their banning. Rather than play victim of "mob mentality" maybe you should improve your posting style.

I thanked your post for being a a great example of that mob mentality - while actually denying it.

I've posted the real stats , Wins/Losses and playoff success, or lack thereof. Everything else is conjecture - as hockey games are not science experiments that take place in a vacuum.