Yeah. Honestly I just read through an interview with Corey Feldman about what he went through and Corey Haim and it is absolutely heinous. It sounds very similar to what was going on here. Sounds like Spacey restrained himself in this situation for whatever reason. One can hope he decided to not participate in that cycle given his lack of follow through here. But damn, it certainly opens up a lot of questions.
He is looking to finally speak out about who was abusing him:
He posted a video last week saying two trucks tried running him down and all his band mates quit because they were scared for their lives.
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Had you asked me this yesterday I would have asked you if the accused was a teacher or parent, priest or some other position of authority, I would have asked if there were any other accusations, I would have asked if the accused used force or any other form of coercion,
if the answer to these was no I would have told you it didn't meet any criteria for a charge but was sleazy.
So just curious... if you groom a 14-year old minor, and physically attempt to engage with them sexually, that's just sleazy? I was under the impression that due to the victim's age, that would carry some kind of charge or penalty (I suppose depending on jurisdiction)?
I'm not sure how 'sleazy' is interepreted legally... sounds like from your point of view sexually coming on to an underaged individual in the manner described in the Spacey case is legal?
On Sunday night, BuzzFeed News published an account from Star Trek: Discovery actor Anthony Rapp alleging that Kevin Spacey made sexual advances toward him when he was 14 years old.
Spacey, who has dodged rumors that he’s gay for years—and even made a public mockery of coming out at this year’s Tony Awards—responded to the allegations by saying if he did do what Rapp alleges, then he apologizes for his “deeply inappropriate drunken behavior.” He then used his statement to come out of the closet, saying that he “chooses” to “live as a gay man.”
Who knew that the only thing worse than Spacey’s years of remaining in a glass closet would be his actual coming out?
In the ensuing days, many headlines will likely lead with the fact that Spacey has come out as a gay man. This is a calculated move from Spacey and a PR team that has handled rumors surrounding his sexuality for years.
The October 1997 issue of Esquire features Spacey on the cover with the headline, “Kevin Spacey Has a Secret.” Spacey’s publicist sprang into action after the article’s implication that Spacey was out of the closet and an executive at his agency William Morris encouraged his colleagues to avoid working with Esquire in the future. The Daily Beast asked Spacey about his sexuality in a 2010 interview, and the actor responded by comparing the line of questioning to gay children being bullied into suicide, before ultimately replying, “It’s just a line I’ve never crossed and never will.” Even Andy Cohen brought up Spacey’s sexuality in his memoir, writing: “I still get enraged when I think about [Spacey] talking about being in love with that woman on 60 Minutes. Come out, sir.”
Spacey choosing now to come out, in order to spin Rapp’s sexual-assault allegation, is underhanded behavior worthy of his character Frank Underwood on House of Cards.
The night Rapp’s account was published, Spacey immediately tweeted a statement in response: “I have a lot of respect and admiration for Anthony Rapp as an actor. I’m beyond horrified to hear his story. I honestly do not remember the encounter, it would have been over 30 years ago. But if I did behave then as he describes, I owe him the sincerest apology for what would have been deeply inappropriate drunken behavior, and I am sorry for the feelings he describes having carried with him all these years. This story has encouraged me to address other things about my life. I know that there are stories out there about me and that some have been fueled by the fact that i have been so protective of my privacy. As those closest to me know, in my life I have had relationships with both men and women. I have loved and had romantic encounters with men throughout my life, and I choose now to live as a gay man. I want to deal with this honestly and openly and that starts with examining my own behavior.”
Here, Spacey has changed the narrative of him allegedly assaulting a 14-year-old boy, put on Jamie Foxx’s “Blame it on the Alcohol,” and ended it with, “Oh, by the way, I’m gay!” There’s never truly a wrong time to come out and I’d never begrudge anyone for accepting their sexuality. But the seediness of using your coming out to deflect from a sexual-assault allegation is something else entirely. Already, headlines have ignored Rapp’s allegations for claptrap like ABC News’ since-edited story that at first read: “Kevin Spacey comes out in emotional tweet.” Several other outlets also led with the fact that Spacey has come out of the closet, rather than the fact that he came out in response to Rapp’s disturbing allegation. Beyond altering the narrative, Spacey’s statement grossly conflates pedophilia and homosexuality.
For Spacey to say, “if I did behave then as he describes, I owe him the sincerest apology for what would have been deeply inappropriate drunken behavior,” implies that when most gay men get drunk, it’s second nature for them to prey on a 14-year-old boy. It calls to mind hateful rhetoric like Anita Bryant’s 1977 Save Our Children campaign, which sought to associate gay men and child predators. Of gay men, Bryant infamously said, “Some of the stories I could tell you of child recruitment and child abuse by homosexuals would turn your stomach.”
For a section of the public who had no idea Spacey was gay, there will be shock that he’s coming out. For those who’ve read between the lines, it’ll be more like, yeah no ####, like in a 2014 Hollywood Reporter interview where Spacey said, “Let’s let people live their lives and do it the way they want to do it. All the chips will fall in the end, and we’ll all be judged by a much higher power than Entertainment Weekly can.” Spacey has had this type of flippant attitude toward his sexuality for years. Lest we forget he made several tasteless jokes about coming out of the closet at the Tony Awards, just because he could. Remaining in the closet has never truly seemed like fear on Spacey’s part so much as a cat and mouse game with the media. It’s been him making jokes about the fact that he has relationships with men on national TV, knowing that it will go over the heads of most of the audience but winking deviously at the people who know and can say nothing about it.
For Spacey to say that he now chooses to be gay also insinuates that it’s a decision someone can switch on and off. For him to speak up about it now, amid these allegations, implies that being gay is a shameful secret you must keep hidden. Furthermore, the decision to switch it on now after vehemently refusing to come out for years makes the decision all the more cold and calculated. It will absolutely overshadow Rapp’s story, which is exactly what Spacey was counting on. At least now we know why Spacey has fiercely guarded his “private life,” as he calls it. He was merely safeguarding his most powerful weapon until he could use it on Rapp and the gay community he now claims he has chosen to be a part of.
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I'm not sure how he could respond to these allegations without coming out as gay. What other choice did he have in this instance?
"I'm not gay, and therefore could not have done what Rapp says I did". Would that be a better way to address the issue?
The interesting thing is while I don't think Spacey is using his sexuality as a distraction, people sure seem to be eating it up that way and essentially doing his 'distraction' work for him by turning the story into something other than Rapp's accusations.
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So just curious... if you groom a 14-year old minor, and physically attempt to engage with them sexually, that's just sleazy? I was under the impression that due to the victim's age, that would carry some kind of charge or penalty (I suppose depending on jurisdiction)?
I'm not sure how 'sleazy' is interepreted legally... sounds like from your point of view sexually coming on to an underaged individual in the manner described in the Spacey case is legal?
I'm no laywer, I have no idea.
If the exact same scenario happened and the boy was 18, what would Spacey be guilty of?
He is looking to finally speak out about who was abusing him:
He posted a video last week saying two trucks tried running him down and all his band mates quit because they were scared for their lives.
I have no doubt that Feldman has a little bit of crazy in him, however I would also say that he has a bit of a right to that.
As I mentioned before he talked about going to the police with names in 93 and the police basically saying not our jurisdiction, and Feldman not wanting to followup on it at the time as a teenager, probably because he felt he would have been shamed by the police.
Also he wanted to name names in his book, and was told by his publishers that he couldn't probably because of the lawsuits that would have been launched.
Part of me doesn't blame him, he tried to name names before and he tried to go to the police and he wasn't helped, he was basically dismissed, and the people that are saying he's running a $10 million dollar con, we know he was molested, we know that Haim was molested because both of them have talked openly about it and they were dismissed basically or ignored, so Feldman coming out and saying he's going to need legal protection, and money to make and distribute this story doesn't ring as a con. If he makes this movie no matter what good comes from it, he likely won't make dime one in hollywood from that point on.
I also don't doubt that he has a well earned streak of cynicism, he came out with this stuff years ago, and nobody did anything, and instead he became a running joke, and his best friend because a willing sacrifice of Hollywood. Now suddenly A listers are coming out and the media can't run fast enough and cater hard enough to make this a story that they knew about for years, and because of that the media should get a well deserved kick in the nuts or the sack because they were protecting the Entertainment industry for all of those years.
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Meh, just would have created dozens of follow up questions concerning his sexuality, and would have been an even bigger distraction imo.
Also, he technically does not admit to anything Rapp says, so for him to say 'sorry for what I did' isn't practical from his stated position. He says "I honestly do not remember the encounter".
If the exact same scenario happened and the boy was 18, what would Spacey be guilty of?
I'm not sure I don't really know the law.... probably nothing? My guess is the age of the alleged victim is the issue here, not the fact that they were men.
If Rapp was 18 at the time, then it would just be a 26 year old man putting the moves on an 18 year old man. He was a kid though and that action goes easily into the realm of being a pedophile. That, regardless of how much you like the actor, is disgusting and reprehensible. I like Spacey a lot as an actor and feel that he is one of the few legitimately good actors in this era. However, that does not absolve him of his conduct.
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If the exact same scenario happened and the boy was 18, what would Spacey be guilty of?
If there was no consent, the same thing as now, the age difference just makes it sound worse. But if Rapp, was trying to get away and leave the room its still completely wrong of Spacey. The age makes it worse because on top of being a very underaged minor its gross behavior by Spacey.
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Netflix just pulled the plug on House of Cards because of this.
Just saw that, I'm betting that after the season ends they pull the show right off of netflix.
Spacey better hope that there aren't any more accusers that he's forgotten about. His publicists have probably locked him in a room and are grilling the crap out of his right now.
Next step will be the whole "I'm stepping away from the spotlight to reflect and work on myself and get some help" thing
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Netflix just pulled the plug on House of Cards because of this.
I mean I get it.. But this is an interesting road to go down for something that happened in the 80s. Will be interesting to see how studios and programming developers handle things when things get revealed that happened 30+ years ago.
Just saw that, I'm betting that after the season ends they pull the show right off of netflix.
Spacey better hope that there aren't any more accusers that he's forgotten about. His publicists have probably locked him in a room and are grilling the crap out of his right now.
Next step will be the whole "I'm stepping away from the spotlight to reflect and work on myself and get some help" thing
Has he done anything since the incident? Honest question, because reading this thread all it is talking about is the one incident..
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