UCP Leadership Election

[calgarygeologist]

Originally Posted by Canehdianman

You should have received several e-mails about it. You had to register to vote several weeks ago. I'm not sure you can vote if you haven't registered.

Call the UCP at 1-888-465-2660 and see what they can do for you.

Cool. I was getting bombarded with so many emails from various candidates and their supporters that I stopped paying attention to the emails weeks ago and I would just delete them right away.

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

Maybe I'm old and I didn't hear it, but Brian Jean didn't talk about going to "war" with teachers and nurses, he did talk about looking at management and administration.

The only one that talks about the UCP going to war with teachers and nurses and publicly executing them is Rachel Notley.

I would expect tho that there will probably be some rolling back of all public employee salaries and/or benefits.

IMO it would be almost impossible for Jean to find $2.6B in savings from cuts without making significant cuts to front line public service workers’ pay even if he kept the carbon tax in place to generate extra revenue.

[c.t.ner]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

the last poll that I saw which was in August had the merged UCP at nearly 60% of the vote, while the NDP had about 27% of the vote and the alberta party at about 9%.

Now I know we can't trust polls anymore, but I don't think there's a tremendous level of support for the NDP. Its gone beyond the point right now of the NDP being able to use negative attacks on the UCP to win an election, they need to find a huge political win that might not be out there for them.

The old saying is that I don't think Notley can talk her way back into office for another term.

I think that after the results of this leadership election, the UCP is going to get another boost no matter what leader goes in and they'll be able to go after the NDP with one voice.

I think the UCP has already hit it's high mark with the 60% poll in August and it'll start losing support as time goes on. The problem for the UCP is that it's been a blank slate for a lot of people. For example if you support Doug Schweitzer and think the UCP will be the #newblue you'd probably vote that way, if you think it should be more socially conservative then Jason's your man and you'd vote UCP. If you love Brian Jean and think he's the man of the people than the UCP is your party.

But that blank slate ends on Saturday and with a leader officially in the driver's seat it's going to start having an identity and a lot of that will be who wins it. I don't for a second doubt that the UCP will be Jason Kenney's and the party will have to wear the baggage he brings to the party and cash some of the cheques his campaign has been writing to get support during these leadership races.

Don't get me wrong, Kenney has been a machine at motivating his base and is an amazing campaigner for leaderships, but what motivates his base isn't the same thing that motivates a vast majority of voting Albertans and he'll have to prove that he can attract many Albertans who haven't been paying attention and provide a platform that's better than "NDP BAD!". Kenney is also incredibly awkward when it comes to answering media questions outside of his bubble of support.

I think over the next few months you'll see the gap between the UCP and NDP starting to shrink and probably the amount of undecideds starting to rise.

[CampbellsTransgressions]

Originally Posted by DiracSpike

It's hard to take you seriously when every one of your posts is an angry rant about "conservatives". Which Catholic school did you go to?

Also, kids can't choose what system they go to? That's made up, as is I suspect the rest of your post.

Just returning the favour in kind.

GL to kids with religious nut parents with switching schools.

Please try to gain some perspective before posting again.

[CampbellsTransgressions]

Originally Posted by Hot_Flatus

LOL were you last in grade school in the 1950's? I'm surprised you are on the internet if so. If a teacher told a student they would be going to hell for anything they would be promptly dismissed, no matter what school board they are on. This is the kind of fabricated garbage that has no place in a discussion board.

I am married to and know numerous teachers, some in the public and catholic board and can certainly guarantee you that the way they teach sex education and approach LGBTQ students is not substantially different or at all reprehensible.

What does religion class have to do with health class?

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by c.t.ner

I think the UCP has already hit it's high mark with the 60% poll in August and it'll start losing support as time goes on. The problem for the UCP is that it's been a blank slate for a lot of people. For example if you support Doug Schweitzer and think the UCP will be the #newblue you'd probably vote that way, if you think it should be more socially conservative then Jason's your man and you'd vote UCP. If you love Brian Jean and think he's the man of the people than the UCP is your party.

But that blank slate ends on Saturday and with a leader officially in the driver's seat it's going to start having an identity and a lot of that will be who wins it. I don't for a second doubt that the UCP will be Jason Kenney's and the party will have to wear the baggage he brings to the party and cash some of the cheques his campaign has been writing to get support during these leadership races.

Don't get me wrong, Kenney has been a machine at motivating his base and is an amazing campaigner for leaderships, but what motivates his base isn't the same thing that motivates a vast majority of voting Albertans and he'll have to prove that he can attract many Albertans who haven't been paying attention and provide a platform that's better than "NDP BAD!". Kenney is also incredibly awkward when it comes to answering media questions outside of his bubble of support.

I think over the next few months you'll see the gap between the UCP and NDP starting to shrink and probably the amount of undecideds starting to rise.

I think that the only way that the gap is going to close is if somehow the NDP get a major win before going into the election, something on a pipeline front or a major policy win.

If they come out with another bad budget that gets picked apart for bad math, the gap will increase significantly.

Kenney is a pretty cagy guy and a strong politician, in the last election the Wildrose and Progressives didn't have good leadership at all and it showed in the debates and in the other events.

Jim Prentice was incredibly arrogant and he thought he had this thing in the bag and his campaign was lazy.

Wildrose self sabotaged.

There's also no vote splitting on the right, but people that are on the left that are disgruntled with the NDP will split to either the center Alberta Party of the Liberals.

[DiracSpike]

Originally Posted by CampbellsTransgressions

Just returning the favour in kind.

GL to kids with religious nut parents with switching schools.

Please try to gain some perspective before posting again.

haha no answer for what catholic school you went to, as expected your story is complete BS. You should try posting when you're not foaming at the mouth.

[CampbellsTransgressions]

Yeah it would be brilliant to reveal personal Information on a local website.

What the #### would it prove anyway?

Jesus Christ some of you are amateurs.

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by DiracSpike

Also, kids can't choose what system they go to? That's made up, as is I suspect the rest of your post.

Do you have kids? If so, you should ask one of them to try and transfer schools without parental consent. It may make you want to rethink this statement.

[DiracSpike]

Originally Posted by CampbellsTransgressions

Yeah it would be brilliant to reveal personal Information on a local website.

What the #### would it prove anyway?

Jesus Christ some of you are amateurs.

haha thanks for proving once again how bogus your Catholic school story is.

Foam on

[CampbellsTransgressions]

Originally Posted by DiracSpike

haha thanks for proving once again how bogus your Catholic school story is.

Foam on

I guess I'm just not enough of a moron to try to pretend that religious nutbaggery isn't prevalent in the Catholic school system (as it is everywhere)... due in part to personal experience as well as not suffering from the extreme (apparent) cognitive dissonance that conservatives suffer from.

[Johnny Makarov]

Can't wait until Kenney unleashes the 3 head kraken of Harper, Anders and Levant. We all know it's coming.

[robaur]

I think the NDP have a legit shot at re-election. I see less and less negativity towards them within my social circle. It's completely different than a couple years ago.

[Weitz]

Originally Posted by CampbellsTransgressions

I guess I'm just not enough of a moron to try to pretend that religious nutbaggery isn't prevalent in the Catholic school system (as it is everywhere)... due in part to personal experience as well as not suffering from the extreme (apparent) cognitive dissonance that conservatives suffer from.

If you are going to be so angry you should at least add some discussion points.

[CampbellsTransgressions]

Lol

[GGG]

Originally Posted by GordonBlue

I'll look for it.

I wasn't saying this is what's currently taught, but it sounds like it's an indication that some leaders want a return to more traditional catholic sexual teachings.

what I posted is based off of this,
"when Janet French filed an access to information request with Alberta Education she received documents which detail plans by the Council of Catholic School Superintendents and the Alberta Catholic School Trustees’ Association to come up with a unique “human sexuality” curriculum. The final version is expected to be complete in three weeks."

and here's the link to the Janet French column, and a link to the materials she received via the access to information request.

http://edmontonjournal.com/news/loca...ion-curriculum

http://wpmedia.edmontonjournal.com/2...-release-2.pdf

Thanks for the link,

The two problematic areas are gender identity and homosexuality. I had hoped that this letter would have been a crazy bishop Henry letter.

The others within the context of the letter seem like reasonable positions. Sex before marriage is discouraged however if you do have sex these are the things to do to prevent disease and pregnancy. Still good the province isn't letting them make their own curriculum.

[taco.vidal]

Ive seen this 2013 article that mentions Kenney's "values" discussed recently on other forums. I hadnt seen it before recently.

http://torontosun.com/2013/02/25/ken...3-a39cf802f244

But Kenney wasn’t finished with his arch-nemesis, who is arguably richer, smarter and better looking than he is.

“Mr. Trudeau,” Kenney said, “is not in touch with the values or the real issues that face ordinary Canadians. I don’t really know what his background is. I don’t think he’s ever run anything.”

This was an odd remark for the Calgary Conservative to make, too. Before he became a Member of Parliament , Kenney was the mouthpiece for a far-right tax lobby, and as far as we know he wasn’t ever called upon to meet a payroll. He hasn’t ever run a company.

Moreover, Kenney’s “values” — he raised values, not us — were always a bit, well, weird. When he arrived on the Hill, for instance, he bragged about being a 40-year-old virgin, and said he was saving himself for marriage. He still isn’t married and, as far as anyone knows, is still a virgin.

Justin Trudeau, meanwhile, has a drop-dead gorgeous wife, and two kids straight out of central casting. He has the looks of a Kennedy-esque matinee idol, while Kenney recalls a younger, swarthier version of Richard Nixon.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by taco.vidal

Ive seen this 2013 article that mentions Kenney's "values" discussed recently on other forums. I hadnt seen it before recently.

http://torontosun.com/2013/02/25/ken...3-a39cf802f244

That's a terrible article that should not be given the time of day. It appears written for a high school newspaper about the Quarterback, Nerd and Himecoming queen.

[Mr.Coffee]

Originally Posted by robaur

I think the NDP have a legit shot at re-election. I see less and less negativity towards them within my social circle. It's completely different than a couple years ago.

Not that I am cheering for this as I'm honestly not a settled voter any which way necessarily, but just wait and see after the April-June 2018 timeframe how happy the general public is with the NDP.

That's when I believe those PPA / power agreements will have finally terminated (March 2018) and the cost of power generation from Transalta's Sundance sites will render those uneconomic. As far as I understand and I am by no means an expert here (so maybe somebody else weigh in here?), but again from what I have read spot prices for electricity are going to double (triple?), and everybody's power bills will obviously significantly rise.

I suspect there'll be a lot of bitching about the NDP there, and I do wonder if that will be the hammer for them come election time- even though theoretically they seem to be "trying to do the right thing" by pushing a conversion of power generation from coal to natural gas as the input.

[CliffFletcher]

I get a kick out of Kenney and his pal Rob Anders lionizing the business ethos and sneering at government when neither have worked a day in the private sector in their lives. And no, working for a lobby group doesn't count as being a businessman.