[News] With the 21st overall pick Flames select C Mark Jankowski

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Ryan Coke

By the way, Eric Duhatschek agrees with me. Whether that matters to someone will depend on if they respect him or not, but I do so it was interesting to hear.

It is possible to respect him and still have a different opinion.

[Ryan Coke]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

It is possible to respect him and still have a different opinion.

Of course.

As for the other post, I agree with your general idea. But for me the risk of exposing Freddie Hamilton to waivers is far outweighed by putting out my best 12 skaters, as opposed to waiting until an injury occurs.

[EldrickOnIce]

Originally Posted by Ryan Coke

Of course.

As for the other post, I agree with your general idea. But for me the risk of exposing Freddie Hamilton to waivers is far outweighed by putting out my best 12 skaters, as opposed to waiting until an injury occurs.

Jagr took Jankowski's spot on opening day roster, not Glass or Hamilton.

[flambers]

Originally Posted by EldrickOnIce

Jagr took Jankowski's spot on opening day roster, not Glass or Hamilton.

Opening day roster Hathaway played in the 1st game.

Jagr was added 2 or 3 days in the season.

Bennett is the player that Jankowski is competing with.

Top 2 Center's are set and the Flames seem to like Stajan

[EldrickOnIce]

Originally Posted by flambers

Opening day roster Hathaway played in the 1st game.

Jagr was added 2 or 3 days in the season.

Bennett is the player that Jankowski is competing with.

Top 2 Center's are set and the Flames seem to like Stajan

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First reported they agreed to terms with Jagr October 3. Season started Oct 4

[flambers]

Originally Posted by EldrickOnIce

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First reported they agreed to terms with Jagr October 3. Season started Oct 4

Sure it was reported by the media, however the Flames didn't add him till after the 1st game of the season.

Check the stats of the first game, Hathaway played.

[EldrickOnIce]

Originally Posted by flambers

Sure it was reported by the media, however the Flames didn't add him till after the 1st game of the season.

Check the stats of the first game, Hathaway played.

I know he played. That's more a waiver thing. Hathaway had to clear, so you wait until the season is underway = less likely he is picked up.
Unless you think the Flames thought Hathaway made the roster over Jankowski out of camp?

[flambers]

Originally Posted by EldrickOnIce

I know he played. That's more a waiver thing. Hathaway had to clear, so you wait until the season is underway = less likely he is picked up.
Unless you think the Flames thought Hathaway made the roster over Jankowski out of camp?

Nope, Flames waived him before the season opener.

He cleared, Hathaway was on the roster until Jagr was officially added.

As I stated in my 1st post, Jankowski and Bennett are competing for the same spot at Center.

[EldrickOnIce]

Originally Posted by flambers

Nope, Flames waived him before the season opener.

He cleared, Hathaway was on the roster until Jagr was officially added.

As I stated in my 1st post, Jankowski and Bennett are competing for the same spot at Center.

Jankowski didn't have to clear. He is waiver exempt.
There was one top 9 spot available. The Flames chose to sign Jagr. This meant Jankowski was out until an injury or player moves made to get him back on the roster.

[flambers]

Originally Posted by EldrickOnIce

Jankowski didn't have to clear. He is waiver exempt.
There was one top 9 spot available. The Flames chose to sign Jagr. This meant Jankowski was out until an injury or player moves made to get him back on the roster.

To clarify. Hathaway was waived and cleared before the season started.

Flames felt they need more depth at right wing and added Jagr.

I don't believe signing Jagr, was the factor that made the Flames demote Jankowski to AHL to start the season.

Depth at Center is the factor.

However when Jagr is activated from IR, will Jankowski be sent down or will they waive Freddie Hamilton?

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by flambers

To clarify. Hathaway was waived and cleared before the season started.

Flames felt they need more depth at right wing and added Jagr.

I don't believe signing Jagr, was the factor that made the Flames demote Jankowski to AHL to start the season.

Depth at Center is the factor.

However when Jagr is activated from IR, will Jankowski be sent down or will they waive Freddie Hamilton?

I suspect they waive Glass before Hamilton. Hamilton is way more useful as an emergency player sitting in the press box. Glass is only useful when there's face punching needed (and those times are fewer and fewer).

[dustygoon]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

What has management said that makes you think it wasn't obvious to them.

Treliving flat out said that Jankowski is an NHLer.

The only reason he was sent down was because, with no injuries (which is pretty unusual), they have too many bodies. And sending anyone else down would risk losing a player, which is bad asset management.

So he was sent down for a whole 3 weeks, where he was able to get lots of ice-time and have some success. But it was a function of asset management, not a case of them being too stupid to see what you and I and everyone else can see.

I don't understand why this point is hard to grasp.

BT did say that. But I thought i remember BT saying in the summer that there were one or two forward spots up for grabs for prospects to earn. He signed Glass and Jagr instead. So its a little inconsistent at least. He had spots open, no prospect earned them, but he says Janko is NHLer.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by dustygoon

BT did say that. But I thought i remember BT saying in the summer that there were one or two forward spots up for grabs for prospects to earn. He signed Glass and Jagr instead. So its a little inconsistent at least. He had spots open, no prospect earned them, but he says Janko is NHLer.

In camp, out of the prospects, only Janko stepped up to get a spot. The others (aside from Dube) were not very good. So even with the Glass contract there was a spot open and I expected Janko to get it (I suspect Treliving did too). But then Jagr is available and Treliving has a choice - keep Janko up and don't sign Jagr (and hope an untested Janko pans out), or sign Jagr and let Janko know he is the first call-up and that he will be staying as soon as Treliving can make room. The latter is the most sensible route.

[dustygoon]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

In camp, out of the prospects, only Janko stepped up to get a spot. The others (aside from Dube) were not very good. So even with the Glass contract there was a spot open and I expected Janko to get it (I suspect Treliving did too). But then Jagr is available and Treliving has a choice - keep Janko up and don't sign Jagr (and hope an untested Janko pans out), or sign Jagr and let Janko know he is the first call-up and that he will be staying as soon as Treliving can make room. The latter is the most sensible route.

Yep. No doubt. I just think this is where some people are getting the idea that BT thought jankowski wasn't NHL ready.

[Hot_Flatus]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

This argument ignores injuries.

If you simply axe a player in order to make room for Jankowski, and then there are suddenly a few injuries, you have unnecessarily weakened your depth and now you're in trouble.

The only reason Jankowski wasn't up sooner is that there were no injuries. Criticizing management for that is really short-sighted.

You don't weaken your depth just to get a kid up a few games quicker. The injuries were and are going to happen. Most seasons, the original 12 man roster doesn't see the ice a single time. It just so happens that the Flames went through camp and most of October without an injury.

Oh noes.

Nope that is completely off base when you're talking about PTO players and waiver wire fodder like we are.

The Flames already have quality depth players they are willing to put into the healthy scratch role splaying down in Stockton. The organization is not going to be worried about losing Freddie Hamilton, Stajan or Glass on waivers because they would go unclaimed and are easily replaceable.....if they aren't, this franchise is in big trouble anyway. If Jankowski is ready (which he is as he's already been better at center than both Bennett and Stajan) it's a chicken bleep move to send him back to the AHL in a few days.

Suggesting the team neuter itself for potentially an entire season to keep it's plugger depth in tact is beyond nonsensical.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by dustygoon

Yep. No doubt. I just think this is where some people are getting the idea that BT thought jankowski wasn't NHL ready.

I guess they think BT was lying when he said "Janko is NHL ready and I just need to make room for him" [paraphrase].

The bigger issue is, when Jagr gets back, will Treliving send Glass down or Jankowski? That's the choice he has IMO.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

I guess they think BT was lying when he said "Janko is NHL ready and I just need to make room for him" [paraphrase].

The bigger issue is, when Jagr gets back, will Treliving send Glass down or Jankowski? That's the choice he has IMO.

It's Glass. In two games, Jankowski looks like a better NHL centre than Bennett ever has, simply based on how that position is played. Bennett can do dynamic things, there's no question. Mark looks like he understands the position much better, and he should - he's two years older.

The dropoff in performance from Monahan and Backlund to Bennett was one of the team's most pressing concerns. Now there are signs that the 3rd line centre knows how to hold his own. They can't go back to Bennett at centre because they're afraid someone claims Tanner Glass.

[Jeff Lebowski]

Originally Posted by flambers

Bennett is the player that Jankowski is competing with.

Top 2 Center's are set and the Flames seem to like Stajan

Yes, this is how I see it as well. Treliving said Jankowski was an NHL player and yet he signed Jagr. The competition for young guys to grab the spots were on the wing. When they stated none of the young guys grabbed them I think they were referring to Foo and probably Hathaway.

Jankowski was never tried on the wing in any of the preseason games, if he was going to make it was (and is) as a centre. The team wants Bennett to be a centre so I think the long term plan is that when Stajan's contract is done that's when you will see the four home grown centres.

Gulutzan made comments about not having all the best players on the roster and that you need good defensive centres in the bottom six.

A quick glance at a mock opening day lineup — and pre-season prognostications of a depth-chart push from a young centre such as Mark Jankowski — might indicate Stajan will be playing sparingly during the ’17-18 season, as the Flames try to improve from last year’s first-round ousting by the Anaheim Ducks.
But others disagree, including Flames head coach Glen Gulutzan, who has no immediate plans to drastically cut Stajan’s ice-time and has said the veteran will start the year centering the Calgary club’s fourth line.
“Matty will have the same role as last year,” Gulutzan said. “When you’re putting together a team, it’s not just saying, ‘OK. Let’s just put in all of the best players.’ You have to put in the best players at the positions. The best defensive centres, the best checking forwards …

http://calgaryherald.com/sports/hock...-i-want-to-win


The analytics crowd (and others) would holler at this because they would prefer skilled players on all four lines but the above quote is a top 9 plus a grinding checking line.



It was a pretty much a foregone conclusion Jankowski was not making the team, unless Bennett failed miserably in the preseason or there was an injury to the other two centres.


However I'm inclined to believe that Gulutzan's quote is more about readying the fanbase to accept Stajan as centre for this year only. He is an important player to the organization for more than on ice stuff. And I don't necessarily disagree with it. You can't be that ruthless to your guys - when there is flexibility with Jankowski waiver status.


Next year I think they will have no problems with Jankowski on the fourth line if Bennett is remains a centre long term in the organization's agenda.

[JFK]

First ever NHL goal, assisted by Jaromir Jagr!

Who the eff could have predicted that five years ago.

[getbak]

Originally Posted by JFK

First ever NHL goal, assisted by Jaromir Jagr!

Who the eff could have predicted that five years ago.

I'd say it's safe to say, literally no one.