[PGT] Flames 2 Blues 5

[AC]

As mentioned by most, the PP is frustrating.

Specifically PP1, because the Gaudreau/Brodie/Versteeg trio that work the umbrella point type of setup are not great shooters. I'd really like to see a new combo or system for that group.

I think it's telling that to start the 3rd down by 1 on the PP, Gulutzan used PP2. They didn't score, but had possession and nice puck movement for a really long time.

When Jagr is back, I hope they don't plant him in front of the net as they had been. I think he should be one of the options to distribute the puck from the corner/half-wall.

[CGY12]

Originally Posted by AC

As mentioned by most, the PP is frustrating.

Specifically PP1, because the Gaudreau/Brodie/Versteeg trio that work the umbrella point type of setup are not great shooters. I'd really like to see a new combo or system for that group.

I think it's telling that to start the 3rd down by 1 on the PP, Gulutzan used PP2. They didn't score, but had possession and nice puck movement for a really long time.

When Jagr is back, I hope they don't plant him in front of the net as they had been. I think he should be one of the options to distribute the puck from the corner/half-wall.

This really puzzles me and makes no sense. Who is the shooting threat of those 3? They literally just pass it around the perimeter till someone decides to finally direct one at the net, which usually gets blocked and shot down the ice. I don't remember the last time this changed either, we absolutely need a guy who can shoot the puck on that unit.

[Classic_Sniper]

Those bottom lines just cannot figure out a way to contribute positively right now. Penalties, consistently allowing goals, under water every game. The 1st and 2nd line can’t score every game, so when they don’t get on the score sheet, that’s when the bottom lines need to help out. H

ow did Brouwer ever score 20 goals let alone multiple times? I’m not sure the guy will ever score again. Bennett needs something, anything because if there’s anyone who could use a boost in confidence, it’s him. Versteeg has not been effective at all at even strength. The rest are just deadweight and until this team can get a quality bottom line, we won’t be an elite team because the great teams in this league have bottom lines that can contribute and make a difference. Our depth just isn’t at the same level.

[bubbsy]

Blues are one of the worst teams on special teams yet that was the difference tonight. The pk has looked better on the status line than it deserves. Can't win a faceoff and zone time is a complete given against the flames.

Lack was pretty meh in my opinion.

Second of a back to back with a pretty useless backup, the odds were against the flames to begin with. That hamonic give away changed the game, yet people are discussing Kulak tonight, etc. Hamonic has been a pretty average looking dman so far, though Brodie has been pretty avg himself too.

If our bottom 6 lines can't find a way to contribute this will be a highly mediocre team.

[tvp2003]

Originally Posted by CGY12

This really puzzles me and makes no sense. Who is the shooting threat of those 3? They literally just pass it around the perimeter till someone decides to finally direct one at the net, which usually gets blocked and shot down the ice. I don't remember the last time this changed either, we absolutely need a guy who can shoot the puck on that unit.

Ferland? The only downside is that Versteeg is normally involved in the zone entry, but it's usually Johnny getting it in each time.

[bubbsy]

Brodie has almost no offensive instincts. How he has the most puck possession time of this team's pp time is beyond me. Why not move Giordano or Hamilton or both up to the top pp unit??

[GoJetsGo]

Originally Posted by 868904

There's a reason why the Bruins let a 6'5" offensive defenceman go for magic beans. Watching Hamilton defend versus Parayko and Pietrangelo defend tonight was night and day.

This is a brutal take.

Hamilton was excellent last year. While he's struggled so far this year, it's certainly not indicative of suggesting "that's why Boston game up on him".

He's a stud, and has all the tools to be a #1 d-man.

He hasn't hit his stride this year but that's no reason to suggest this is why Boston gave up on him.

Just a bizarre take to jump to that negative of a conclusion.

[Chonger]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

All Rittich does is put up great starts in the A. Don't know why we had to reach out and make a trade that just created a logjam in the pipeline in goal and was lateral at the very best.

Lacks a vet. End of story.

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[Teroy]

Stagan was not the reason we lost tonight. Neither was Lack, Lazar or Versteeg. Giordano was terrible. Hamonic was no better. This vaunted defense we're supposed to have,,,, isn't. And million dollar Gadreau isn't living up to his billing. Sure he pulls off a whizzy play from time to time but he also gives up the puck more often than anyone on the team, is a defensive liability in our own zone and why he's double shifted is beyond me. There are any number of players I'd trade him for.

[Timbo]

Wow a loss, and (some of) CP gives another forum nothing but pure gold for their version of Gaskals ATL.
Who said we were going to be undefeated this year?

[Karl]

Originally Posted by Teroy

Stagan was not the reason we lost tonight. Neither was Lack, Lazar or Versteeg. Giordano was terrible. Hamonic was no better. This vaunted defense we're supposed to have,,,, isn't. And million dollar Gadreau isn't living up to his billing. Sure he pulls off a whizzy play from time to time but he also gives up the puck more often than anyone on the team, is a defensive liability in our own zone and why he's double shifted is beyond me. There are any number of players I'd trade him for.

Are you sure you weren't watching a different game??

Giordano was completely 100% the exact opposite of terrible tonight.

Also, although Gaudreau has been quite terrible defensively at times recently, he was actually great defensively tonight for the 1st time in a while.

[Classic_Sniper]

Originally Posted by GoJetsGo

This is a brutal take.

Hamilton was excellent last year. While he's struggled so far this year, it's certainly not indicative of suggesting "that's why Boston game up on him".

He's a stud, and has all the tools to be a #1 d-man.

He hasn't hit his stride this year but that's no reason to suggest this is why Boston gave up on him.

Just a bizarre take to jump to that negative of a conclusion.

I wouldn’t say it’s completely brutal. I think Dougie has a lot of potential to be a high point producing defenseman. But in his own zone, he struggles a lot which leads to him taking a lot of penalties. There’s a reason why he doesn’t kill many penalties, could you imagine how many more penalties he’d rack up trying to defend short handed? Without Giordano, he had a lot of trouble in his own end, but im glad he’s finally found a steady partner to free up his offensive game more. Hopefully the longer he plays with Giordano, the better his defensive game becomes. He needs to cut down on those risky pinches though, he gets caught a lot from what I’ve seen.

[Karl]

IMO it was almost a dead heat between Lazar and Versteeg as to who was the worst Flame tonight.

[FireGilbert]

The Flames really needed to bury the Blues after the hot start because they ran out of steam in the third. I thought Lack played as well as expected for a backup. Sure Smith might have stopped 1 or 2 of the goals but he made some big saves and didn't let in any bad ones.

Also what great games from Backlund and Tkachuk. The top two lines are clicking now they just need the occasional goal from the bottom two.

[GoJetsGo]

Originally Posted by Classic_Sniper

I wouldn’t say it’s completely brutal. I think Dougie has a lot of potential to be a high point producing defenseman. But in his own zone, he struggles a lot which leads to him taking a lot of penalties. There’s a reason why he doesn’t kill many penalties, could you imagine how many more penalties he’d rack up trying to defend short handed? Without Giordano, he had a lot of trouble in his own end, but im glad he’s finally found a steady partner to free up his offensive game more. Hopefully the longer he plays with Giordano, the better his defensive game becomes. He needs to cut down on those risky pinches though, he gets caught a lot from what I’ve seen.

No, it's completely brutal.

Between his age, and how good his advance stats were all of last season, it's a joke to take the few games to begin this year and spin it into "that's why Boston gave him up for magic beans".

He has room to grow, can be better in his own end, and has struggled out of the gate so far this season. None of that equates to suggesting that's why Boston gave up on him.

[Classic_Sniper]

Originally Posted by Teroy

Stagan was not the reason we lost tonight. Neither was Lack, Lazar or Versteeg. Giordano was terrible. Hamonic was no better. This vaunted defense we're supposed to have,,,, isn't. And million dollar Gadreau isn't living up to his billing. Sure he pulls off a whizzy play from time to time but he also gives up the puck more often than anyone on the team, is a defensive liability in our own zone and why he's double shifted is beyond me. There are any number of players I'd trade him for.

Weird that you’re defending marginal players on this team that do very little to help the team win yet single out those who have contributed greatly to the team’s 5 wins so far. Gaudreau is on pace for almost 100 points and Giordano is continuously the team’s best defensive presence on the back end whereas guys like Lack, Stajan and Versteeg have been some of the worst Flames so far this season especially at even strength.

[heep223]

I like Versteeg. But he has been really frustrating to watch lately. He’s been pretty bad.

Good to see Backlund play well tonight.

Bennett had a good game the other night but took a step back tonight. I just feel like he always makes the wrong decision. For all his tenacity, he never comes out with the ####ing puck and he always seems like he’s on the wrong side of it. Tkachuk needs to teach him a thing or two.

On to the next! Tough stretch coming up. GFG

[Classic_Sniper]

Originally Posted by GoJetsGo

No, it's completely brutal.

Between his age, and how good his advance stats were all of last season, it's a joke to take the few games to begin this year and spin it into "that's why Boston gave him up for magic beans".

He has room to grow, can be better in his own end, and has struggled out of the gate. None of that equates to suggesting that's why Boston gave up on him.

Well I’m not sure the exact reason as to why they gave him up, but they certainly didn’t feel compelled to keep him and young, right handed, potential #1 defensemen drafted in early rounds are as untouchable as they come. Hey I’m not gonna complain, it certainly helped us and it was at more than a fair price. I hope he improves his defensive play and decision making because his performance is vital to this team’s results.

[GoJetsGo]

Originally Posted by Classic_Sniper

Well I’m not sure the exact reason as to why they gave him up, but they certainly didn’t feel compelled to keep him and young, right handed, potential #1 defensemen drafted in early rounds are as untouchable as they come. Hey I’m not gonna complain, it certainly helped us and it was at more than a fair price. I hope he improves his defensive play and decision making because his performance is vital to this team’s results.

Boston has made a lot of bizarre decisions with young talent dating back the better part of a couple decades.

Once again, suggesting (in a post game thread) Hamilton was jettisoned for magic beans because of his defensive play is a typical negative over-reaction a very vocal minority around here seem to always do.

Hamilton was very good almost all of last season and is still young with plenty of room to mature and grow.

There's just no need to try and write off and diminish young players because of a slow start.

[Jeff Lebowski]

Originally Posted by AC

As mentioned by most, the PP is frustrating.

Specifically PP1, because the Gaudreau/Brodie/Versteeg trio that work the umbrella point type of setup are not great shooters. I'd really like to see a new combo or system for that group.

I think it's telling that to start the 3rd down by 1 on the PP, Gulutzan used PP2. They didn't score, but had possession and nice puck movement for a really long time.

When Jagr is back, I hope they don't plant him in front of the net as they had been. I think he should be one of the options to distribute the puck from the corner/half-wall.

There are no one timer options on PP1 either. The shots have been coming from Versteeg, in fact much of the play is run through him. It's not working. With Brodie as the single point man it seems they want Versteeg's right shot to rotate to the point on occasion. As you said he isn't a great shooter and he looks for the slap pass to Monahan for the deflection- which is ok.

I recall you mentioned Gaudreau's World Cup highlights and I'm betting there are tons of great plays by Johnny on the right half wall. I remember Cooper saying to give Johnny the puck because he's the distributor. I don't get why he's not there now.

On the left side he's shooting his wrister a lot and not having the angle to create plays as much. It's totally frustrating.